Goodbye BCS, Hello Playoffs

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burntorangeVOLffle said:
How will SEC fans feel about assimilating teams like Wake and Memphis into these Mega Super Ultimate Conferences.
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I'm sure they'd be disgusted, but teams like Wake and Memphis won't be sitting at the grown-up table when everything shakes out.

Or how much tougher it will be adding teams like FSU, Miami, and Clemson as opposed to what the PAC and Big 10 would add.
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The SEC wouldn't be adding those teams, in all likelihood; the Big XII would. The SEC would be looking at teams from Virginia and North Carolina.
 
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#52
Unless you've been living under a rock, you know the next college football national champion will be crowned via a 4-team playoff.

What are your thoughts on the playoff system? Is the current format of 4 teams the correct amount? Should it be bigger? Does anyone think we should stick with the BCS system?

Also, the current playoff format is contracted through 2025. Does anyone know if that applies to only a playoff system, or specifically a 4-team playoff (in other words, is there any leeway to increase the number of teams during the contract, or is it cemented at 4 teams until 2025?)?

And finally, what 4 teams do you predict to be in the inaugural college football playoffs?

I'm going with Auburn, FSU, Oklahoma, and Ohio State.




edit: Whoops! Sorry if this post seems awkard, I originally made it as a new thread in a different forum, and a particularly-punctual mod insta-moved it here.
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
Outside of a few individual rivalry match-ups won't tradition be thrown out the window in these Mega conferences?

Bowl traditions are already meaningless. Why preserve them?
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I personally don't see any reason to preserve them, but those 2 conferences seem to think it important. Media affiliations maybe, IDK.
 
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salutethehill said:
I am not optimistic about a playoff. The best team doesn't always win. I thought the BCS was the best solution. We shall see.
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Agree. There were some fantastic bowl games played this year, and the best team won the NC. In regards to the playoff, anytime you bring in a selection committee, you know there will be controversy. Those that think otherwise are fooling themselves.
 
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I'm guessing the next round of expansion talks will start shortly after the scandal at UNC is resolved. They are the first domino that will determine where others end up, IMO.

UNC and VT to the SEC.
Virginia, Duke and ND to the B1G.
NCSt, Clemson, GT, FSU, Miami to the Big12 East along with a few others.
No idea who the PAC will add.
 
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fade route said:
Agree. There were some fantastic bowl games played this year, and the best team won the NC. In regards to the playoff, anytime you bring in a selection committee, you know there will be controversy. Those that think otherwise are fooling themselves.
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You had a selection committee (pollsters) pick the 2 teams this year, so they'll just pick 2 more.
 
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Morpheus said:
UNC and VT to the SEC.
Virginia, Duke and ND to the B1G.
NCSt, Clemson, GT, FSU, Miami to the Big12 East along with a few others.
No idea who the PAC will add.
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I see it more like this:
Either UVA or VPI and either UNC or NC St to SEC
2 out of Notre Dame, UNC, UVA, Boston College and Georgia Tech to Big 10.
Big XII takes Clemson, FSU, Miami, and three teams that are left out from the lists above (though they would not take BC).
Pac 12 takes BYU and one of the Nevada schools and stops at 14, or they simply stay at 12. Don't rule out the possibility of Notre Dame to the Pac, as ridiculous as that sounds.

Duke goes to the AAC, maybe just for football while putting the rest of their sports in the Big East. Pitt, Syracuse, and Wake Forest all go AAC along with whoever is left out from above.
 
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milohimself said:
Can't remember a time I thought a team outside of the top, maybe four, that deserved a shot at being called "national champs."
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Not that I disagree with anything posted in the thread, but everyone loves the NCAA B-Ball tourney. Folks love it when the underdog "Cinderella" story unfolds. People still talk about NC State over Houston, and Villanova over Georgetown.

In the end, it can provide a little excitement, and the better teams wins the majority of the time.

Just taking a different perspective on it.
 
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salutethehill said:
The best team doesn't always win.
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While that's true, the same still applies to the BCS. Regardless of the path a team takes toward the championship, the "best" team doesn't always win, playoff or no playoff.

I thought the BCS was the best solution. We shall see
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In my honest opinion, any system that prevents a team from a chance at playing for the title, when said team is a member of the toughest conference in the country, and goes undefeated, and in the process of doing so, beats THREE top-10 teams (#5 LSU, #10 Tennessee, #8 UGA, and just for good measure, again beat #15 UT in the SEC title game), is absolutely, positively NOT the best solution. A 4-team playoff makes that scenario highly unlikely, and an 8-team playoff makes it so unlikely that it makes winning the powerball look like a sure-thing.





There's a reason why every professional sport, and now basically every college sport, utilizes a playoff system to crown their respective champion: It makes sense. It's the one, true way to let the coaches/players decide matters on the field, rather than in the biased opinions of the voters.

Now of course, there will always be that 5th team who complains and says they got screwed. However unlikely, it's still plausible for the "best" team to be left out of the 4-team playoff. That being said, if you couldn't convince people you were at least the 4th best team in the country, then it's your own fault.

Even so, it's not like a team who doesn't make the 4-team playoff would've been in the BCS title game, so they really have nothing to complain about, other than it being 4 teams instead of 8 (or even 6, with two first round byes).

Personally, I would like to see it expanded to 8 teams. That way, nobody can legitimately claim to have been screwed after not making it into the playoffs. I think the vast majority of people can agree that if you can't do enough to convince people that you're, at worst, the 8th best team in the country, then you're certainly not the best team in the country, and therefore don't deserve a spot in the 8-team playoff.



Just my thirty-seven dollars and change. Now I must be off to go parallel park my train; I'll be back later.
 
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CountVolcula said:
It should be expanded. I think back to NFL teams that barely made the playoffs only to win the Superbowl.

This 4 team playoff is just as big of a joke as the BCS
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Heck no. One of my biggest problems with the NFL is that under the current format, teams can slum it through the season, wind up maybe a game or two over .500 and then win the whole thing.

Regardless of how college football has determined who the national champ is, it's pretty much always been the case that you gotta be the best the whole year to be called champs. That's how it oughta be.
 
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Easttnken said:
Not that I disagree with anything posted in the thread, but everyone loves the NCAA B-Ball tourney. Folks love it when the underdog "Cinderella" story unfolds. People still talk about NC State over Houston, and Villanova over Georgetown.

In the end, it can provide a little excitement, and the better teams wins the majority of the time.

Just taking a different perspective on it.
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It does because basketball allows for a massive playoff field. Football doesn't. We could get maybe 16 teams at most in a CFB playoffs, but that leaves you with both teams in it who don't deserve a shot at the title, but a small enough field to introduce variability that the best team won't win all of the time.

I get the whole wanting to remove all subjectivity from the process, but with 120+ FBS teams, and more every year, there's no good way to go about that. It's a no-win scenario. If all the big boys broke away from the NCAA altogether I'd change my tune.

As D-IA currently is, I actually like the old way the best. I liked it when there were about half the bowl games there are now. Making a bowl meant something. Conference championships meant more than they do now.
 
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bamawriter said:
I see it more like this:
Either UVA or VPI and either UNC or NC St to SEC
2 out of Notre Dame, UNC, UVA, Boston College and Georgia Tech to Big 10.
Big XII takes Clemson, FSU, Miami, and three teams that are left out from the lists above (though they would not take BC).
Pac 12 takes BYU and one of the Nevada schools and stops at 14, or they simply stay at 12. Don't rule out the possibility of Notre Dame to the Pac, as ridiculous as that sounds.

Duke goes to the AAC, maybe just for football while putting the rest of their sports in the Big East. Pitt, Syracuse, and Wake Forest all go AAC along with whoever is left out from above.
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Makes sense. All depends on who gets UNC, IMO. Everything will shake out from there I think. I do think all 4 conferences will eventually get up to at least 16, and maybe more.
 
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fade route said:
In regards to the playoff, anytime you bring in a selection committee, you know there will be controversy. Those that think otherwise are fooling themselves.
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I'm a HUGE fan of the playoff system, but I agree with you 100%. As if the idea of a committee isn't bad enough, the committee is made up of what appears to be a giant conflict of interest waiting to happen.

Regarding the method of crowning a national champion, pretty much everyone falls into 1 of 2 categories:

Keep the BCS system.
Go to a playoff system.

Why not go with the glaringly obvious choice of using the BCS system to field the playoffs? Just put teams 1-4 in the playoffs?
 
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I think it could be bumped up to 8 for sure but no more. Don't take away the most important regular season in any sport.
 
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Heck NASCAR has a playoff. I really think the SEC will benefit from this playoff. I hate the selection committee. I can see teams from other conferences winner getting in with 2 or 3 loses when there are teams better than them with only 1 lose. You say "surely not", but whose to say what criteria this commitee will use to pick these four teams. I believe that the NC should come the top 4 or 8 teams as long as this selection committee does it in a honest way. Sure there may be arguments about 5 th best team or the 9 th best team, but atleast it will be decided on the field at that point. 15 to 16 games is all that we should ask these young men to play in one season. Some of them are jeopardizing future earning potential in the NFL and plus the NFL only has a few more games than this to determine their champion.
 
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For some reason I'm horrified because I envision these words next year:

"Ohio State had a great strength of schedule, and that's why they got the number one seed"

#selectioncommitteeprobs
 
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IMO They should take all of the major conference champions and seed them somehow and use those teams. In this case nobody has an argument its their fault they didn't win their conference.
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IMO, the biggest problem with any system designed to crown a NC is ranking teams so early in the process. Polls early in the season simply give unfair advantages to teams. It is possible for the best team in the nation to go undefeated and never have a shot at finishing in the top 4 assuming they are unranked or ranked low to begin with.
 
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The BCS worked most of the time, if they will keep it at 4 it will be Great, but MONEY TALKS and BS walks, so they will go to 8 and so on then like the NFL SOME 9and win 7wins the super bowl it will be the hottest team that wins not the best, if they will keep it at 4 that would be great, I don't think a team outside of the top 4 deserve a chance at the NC.
 
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peerless98 said:
IMO, the biggest problem with any system designed to crown a NC is ranking teams so early in the process. Polls early in the season simply give unfair advantages to teams. It is possible for the best team in the nation to go undefeated and never have a shot at finishing in the top 4 assuming they are unranked or ranked low to begin with.
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Not to mention poll bias with the teams they're already familiar with from winning in past seasons.
 
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Our Championship game will hurt the SEC if we didn't have it we would get 2 maybe 3 teams in the playoffs, now all it will do is eliminate a team that would have made it, but we the SEC HAS GOT TO HAVE THE MONEY NEW NETWORK AND EVERYTHING. You know I wish it was like it was in the old days you played all the major bowls on NEW YEARS DAY AND THEY WERE CALLED JUST Sugar Orange Rose and so .
 
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terrypedigo said:
Our Championship game will hurt the SEC if we didn't have it we would get 2 maybe 3 teams in the playoffs, now all it will do is eliminate a team that would have made it, but we the SEC HAS GOT TO HAVE THE MONEY NEW NETWORK AND EVERYTHING.
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Not really how it would work…at all
 
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