Goodbye Oregon Football

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MaehlMan said:
So...apparently Lyles went on the radio with Canzano and claimed that he didn't steer anyone anywhere and that Oregon paid for information. He also claimed that Canzano misquoted him and that no Jordans were given to Seastrunk and that they just showed him a rare pair in a case.

I haven't listened to it myself yet, so TIFWIW...
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MaehlMan said:
Twitter. The interview is at Willie Lyles - 750AM The Game
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You might want to listen to this, because Lyles clearly said that he provided the "little things to Oregon and Kelley" to help them sign Seastrunk and that he realizes that he "crossed the line". He also stated that Chip Kelley was clearly aware that Lyles was helping to facilitate this official letter of intent.
 
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BearCat204 said:
You might want to listen to this, because Lyles clearly said that he provided the "little things to Oregon and Kelley" to help them sign Seastrunk and that he realizes that he "crossed the line". He also stated that Chip Kelley was clearly aware that Lyles was helping to facilitate this official letter of intent.
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Which he can't do because Oregon paid him and he's not the legal guardian.
 
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MaehlMan said:
At least the Jordans thing isn't true...

The shoes were on display and I never said they were given to... on Twitpic
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Honestly, that's the least if your problems. After listening to the interview, I don't see how any sane person could conclude that he wasn't acting as a paid handler. A least in the eyes of the Oregon staff. He clearly said many times that he gave Oregon inside knowledge of what LS wanted.
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BearCat204 said:
Or have a clue what the definition of a "representative of the university" is as defined by the AA.
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When a coach pays for a taxi while on a recruiting trip, is the taxi driver a representative of the university?

DarthVisor said:
Or have a clue about anything regarding college football.
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When you guys were telling me that Kiffin and Co. were the best thing for Bryce Brown during his recruitment, I wrote that it wasn't clear whether or not Kiffin would even be around to see Bryce graduate.

I called that one. Didn't I?

MaehlMan said:
So...apparently Lyles went on the radio with Canzano and claimed that he didn't steer anyone anywhere and that Oregon paid for information. He also claimed that Canzano misquoted him and that no Jordans were given to Seastrunk and that they just showed him a rare pair in a case.
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He did, it's here: Willie Lyles talks publicly about Oregon Ducks, Lache Seastrunk (audio) | OregonLive.com

Confirms all of the points that I've been making here:

A) Lyles did not steer any recruit anywhere. No pay-for-play scheme.

B) Lyles was often representing the interest of the players. He says that he would have done the same thing for Lache no matter what school LACHE chose to go to.

C) He clearly indicates that he felt it was the schools job to recruit. Not his. He just gave information and helped kids get to where they wanted to go.

justingroves said:
Which he can't do because Oregon paid him and he's not the legal guardian.
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Where is that clearly defined in the rules?

BearCat204 said:
Honestly, that's the least if your problems. After listening to the interview, I don't see how any sane person could conclude that he wasn't acting as a paid handler. A least in the eyes of the Oregon staff. He clearly said many times that he gave Oregon inside knowledge of what LS wanted.
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What do you think programs are paying scouting services for? Public, easily attainable knowledge?

It's not against the rules to pay for inside knowledge about recruits.
 
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#581
Looks like I'm way late to this party. Feel bad for some of the Oregon fans, but man it's nice to see Kelly go up in flames.
 
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#582
Just add an S and U to Wheaton's avatar, and he sounds like another fan base from a few months ago.
 
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#584
Because your denial is pathetic. Want to make a wager as to whether Oregon gets hit or not?
 
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wheaton4prez said:
What have I denied?

I could see the ruling go either way. Betting on a coin flip doesn't seem like a great deal.
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After the Casey Anthony verdict yesterday, I can see how you remain optimistic on Oregon's chances to go without penalties.
 
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wheaton4prez said:
When a coach pays for a taxi while on a recruiting trip, is the taxi driver a representative of the university?
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Please do yourself a favor and look up the NCAA's definition of a "university representative/booster" and then tell me that this situation is anything remotely close to your taxi driver scenerio.



wheaton4prez said:
He did, it's here: Willie Lyles talks publicly about Oregon Ducks, Lache Seastrunk (audio) | OregonLive.com

Confirms all of the points that I've been making here:

A) Lyles did not steer any recruit anywhere. No pay-for-play scheme.

B) Lyles was often representing the interest of the players. He says that he would have done the same thing for Lache no matter what school LACHE chose to go to.

C) He clearly indicates that he felt it was the schools job to recruit. Not his. He just gave information and helped kids get to where they wanted to go.
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I guess you missed Lyles saying that he crossed some lines and that he had a relationship with Lache including sleep overs on a few occations. Lyles can say that he didnt, in his mind, steer any players, but Oregon was paying for his relationship to these players and not for scouting information. I dont see how any person with any sort of sense can listen to the interview and gather anything other than: Kelly and Oregon were paying Lyles because he had a certain relationship with a highly talented recruit that they wanted. Lyles also said that Kelly was aware that he(Lyles) was crossing lines with the recruitment of Lache. I would suggest you brush up on NCAA bylaw 13.4.3.

wheaton4prez said:
What do you think programs are paying scouting services for? Public, easily attainable knowledge?

It's not against the rules to pay for inside knowledge about recruits.
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Again, I suggest you read NCAA bylaw 13.4.3. The rules were obviously violated and if you cant see that, you are just being a blind homer.
 
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wheaton4prez said:
you were the one who was saying that "the moment" Lyles was paid, it was a violation.

Lyles did provide phone numbers, information, videos, etc.

What do you think "access" is? Information, contact info, etc. There isn't a rule that says that the information provided has to be finalized by a certain time. It could be information that comes up during the recruiting process.

Again, gray area. Charles Robinson himself is saying that it's not clear whether or not Oregon broke any rules.



ONE of the requirements in the rules is that scouts must provide written materials. You and others seem to think that providing written materials are the ONLY thing that scouts can do. Not having the written materials in place does not mean that other legitimate services weren't offered.
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it was a violation because he was orchastrating (by kelly's own words) recruiting trips. you can't pay someone money after they did that.

i don't care if he provided video on every recruit in america. once he started setting up recruiting trips and helping oregon players get eligibile he became a booster and can't be paid by the university.

this is the very definition of someting that is not a gray area. the ncaa is very clear about this.

once again. doesn't matter what other services were provided the second he started setting up recruiting trips.
 
#592
#592
That was a long interview. Seems like Kelly and Lyles just didn't know what the hell they were doing. They were both new in their professions. He stepped over the line, and Chip tried to cover his tracks after discovering that they could be in trouble.
 
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#593
wheaton4prez said:
He did, it's here: Willie Lyles talks publicly about Oregon Ducks, Lache Seastrunk (audio) | OregonLive.com

Confirms all of the points that I've been making here:

A) Lyles did not steer any recruit anywhere. No pay-for-play scheme.

B) Lyles was often representing the interest of the players. He says that he would have done the same thing for Lache no matter what school LACHE chose to go to.

C) He clearly indicates that he felt it was the schools job to recruit. Not his. He just gave information and helped kids get to where they wanted to go.
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what he said actually is that he couldn't force anyone to go anywhere which is not the same thing as saying he didn't encourage the kids to go to oregon. willie isn't too bright.

you just don't get this do you. he can't represent the players AND take money from oregon. he can do one or the other, but not both.

once again he can't help teh kids get to where they want to go and take money from oregon.
 
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#594
Does anyone know if it's okay to take money from Oregon and help kids decide where to go?
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#596
#596
MaehlMan said:
Does anyone know if it's okay to take money from Oregon and help kids decide where to go?
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absolutely not ok. if offering a recruiting service you cannot be involved in the recruitment process.
 
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droski said:
absolutely not ok. if offering a recruiting service you cannot be involved in the recruitment process.
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This is clearly stated in the NCAA bylaws regardless of wheaton's inability to read. It is also exactly what was going on and was what was describe by lyles
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wheaton4prez said:
When a coach pays for a taxi while on a recruiting trip, is the taxi driver a representative of the university?



When you guys were telling me that Kiffin and Co. were the best thing for Bryce Brown during his recruitment, I wrote that it wasn't clear whether or not Kiffin would even be around to see Bryce graduate.

I called that one. Didn't I?



He did, it's here: Willie Lyles talks publicly about Oregon Ducks, Lache Seastrunk (audio) | OregonLive.com

Confirms all of the points that I've been making here:

A) Lyles did not steer any recruit anywhere. No pay-for-play scheme.

B) Lyles was often representing the interest of the players. He says that he would have done the same thing for Lache no matter what school LACHE chose to go to.

C) He clearly indicates that he felt it was the schools job to recruit. Not his. He just gave information and helped kids get to where they wanted to go.



Where is that clearly defined in the rules?



What do you think programs are paying scouting services for? Public, easily attainable knowledge?

It's not against the rules to pay for inside knowledge about recruits.
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There's no help for you. Better get lubed up. The 'AA is coming, whether or not you want to acknowledge it.
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BearCat204 said:
This is clearly stated in the NCAA bylaws regardless of wheaton's inability to read. It is also exactly what was going on and was what was describe by lyles
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yup. boosters can't be involved in the recruiting process. the ncaa states clearly that if you take money from an university you are a booster. i really don't get why oregon fans don't get this. read educk and you'd think oregon didn't do anything wrong at all.
 
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