Goodbye Oregon Football

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#601
droski said:
yup. boosters can't be involved in the recruiting process. the ncaa states clearly that if you take money from an university you are a booster. i really don't get why oregon fans don't get this. read educk and you'd think oregon didn't do anything wrong at all.
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Show me a fan base or fan site that thinks they did anything wrong before they get slammed by the AA. People tend to be in denial just before they get hit the hardest.
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#602
#602
i suppose you are right, but i'm surprised that i don't see a single poster arguing that kelly broke ncaa rules. of course educk has a china like policy on freedom of speech.
 
#605
#605
droski said:
i suppose you are right, but i'm surprised that i don't see a single poster arguing that kelly broke ncaa rules. of course educk has a china like policy on freedom of speech.
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CockyTalk is the same way. If you aren't pumping sunshine, you are blaspheming.
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BearCat204 said:
Please do yourself a favor and look up the NCAA's definition of a "university representative/booster" and then tell me that this situation is anything remotely close to your taxi driver scenerio.
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I have read that. According to your reading of the rules, if you pay someone and they help you during the recruiting process, it's a violation. This would mean that hiring taxi drivers is a violation.

BearCat204 said:
I guess you missed Lyles saying that he crossed some lines and that he had a relationship with Lache including sleep overs on a few occations.
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There isn't a rule against recruiting services having relationships with PSAs.

BearCat204 said:
Lyles can say that he didnt, in his mind, steer any players, but Oregon was paying for his relationship to these players and not for scouting information.
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So, Lyles mind is good enough to "believe" that he "crossed a line" but not good enough to determine that he didn't steer players?

Having a relationship with the players is not a violation. It's the reason why he had valuable information.

BearCat204 said:
I dont see how any person with any sort of sense can listen to the interview and gather anything other than: Kelly and Oregon were paying Lyles because he had a certain relationship with a highly talented recruit that they wanted. Lyles also said that Kelly was aware that he(Lyles) was crossing lines with the recruitment of Lache. I would suggest you brush up on NCAA bylaw 13.4.3.
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I've read all of the related bylaws multiple times now. Which specific rule do you think Oregon violated?

droski said:
it was a violation because he was orchastrating (by kelly's own words) recruiting trips. you can't pay someone money after they did that.
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According to what rule?

droski said:
i don't care if he provided video on every recruit in america. once he started setting up recruiting trips and helping oregon players get eligibile he became a booster and can't be paid by the university.
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According to what rule?

droski said:
once again. doesn't matter what other services were provided the second he started setting up recruiting trips.
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So, you agree that trying to comply with the written materials requirement does not demonstrate a cover-up?

droski said:
what he said actually is that he couldn't force anyone to go anywhere which is not the same thing as saying he didn't encourage the kids to go to oregon. willie isn't too bright.
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He says as emphatically as he can that he didn't steer anyone anywhere. He has said this in multiple interviews now.

droski said:
you just don't get this do you. he can't represent the players AND take money from oregon. he can do one or the other, but not both.
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According to what rule?

droski said:
yup. boosters can't be involved in the recruiting process. the ncaa states clearly that if you take money from an university you are a booster. i really don't get why oregon fans don't get this. read educk and you'd think oregon didn't do anything wrong at all.
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Where does it say that? Do you think that paying a taxi driver makes them a booster?

It's the other way around. If a person gives money to the program, they are a booster. There is no rule stating that anyone who is paid is a booster.
 
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#619
#619
I won't make excuses or long tirades in some lame attempt to justify. It stinks. It was wrong. It's embarrassing. I'm getting tired of the f'in excuses. Man up...
 
#620
#620
ABQduck said:
I won't make excuses or long tirades in some lame attempt to justify. It stinks. It was wrong. It's embarrassing. I'm getting tired of the f'in excuses. Man up...
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Tennessee basketball fans feel your pain. The fans who live in denial and make fools of themselves only make it worse, unfortunately.
 
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#625
wheaton4prez said:
I have read that. According to your reading of the rules, if you pay someone and they help you during the recruiting process, it's a violation. This would mean that hiring taxi drivers is a violation.


If the taxi driver was sleeping over at your house and had an established personal relationship with you outside of a normal scouting relationship and the taxi driver was being paid by the school, yes. Its in black and white, why you refuse to read and understand the rule is beyond me.


There isn't a rule against recruiting services having relationships with PSAs.
Yes there is a rule against "services" be provided by someone paid by the University and if the person or recruiting service providing has a relationship outside of a normal one. I am the NCAA calls "sleeping over for a few nights" improper.


So, Lyles mind is good enough to "believe" that he "crossed a line" but not good enough to determine that he didn't steer players?
He may not have knowingly steered, but it is very clear that Oregon knew he was. Deny all you want, I will bet good money that is what they were doing.

Having a relationship with the players is not a violation. It's the reason why he had valuable information.
A relationship that is outside of a normal working relationship like Lyles has had with Lache is a violation.



I've read all of the related bylaws multiple times now. Which specific rule do you think Oregon violated?
13.2.14 (b) clearly states what is deemed a "representative of the University". Therefore when Lyles was having his sleepovers, he had clearly violated this bylaw.


According to what rule?
13.2.14 and 13.2.13


According to what rule?

13.2.14 and 13.2.13.....again

So, you agree that trying to comply with the written materials requirement does not demonstrate a cover-up?
Much like Bruce Pearl, complying after the fact that you have been caught is, in fact, a cover up



He says as emphatically as he can that he didn't steer anyone anywhere. He has said this in multiple interviews now.
What he is saying and what his actions were (according to him) are very different.


According to what rule?
Tired of wasting my breath......13.2.14 and 13.2.13


Where does it say that? Do you think that paying a taxi driver makes them a booster?
No, and in the bylaws is actually states that the University can pay a taxi driver to transport a PSA

It's the other way around. If a person gives money to the program, they are a booster. There is no rule stating that anyone who is paid is a booster.
You should read it again
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