Goodbye Oregon Football

#877
#877
wheaton4prez said:
Should I quote what it says about faking injuries in the NCAA rule book? Faking injuries takes advantage of everyones concern for truly injured players. And it actually could affect the outcome of a game.

Whether or not Lyles was the one who told Oregon when Seastrunk wanted to visit affected nothing.

Keep trumpeting Tedford if you want. I'll be fine seeing Cal continue as the almost-or-nothing program they've been for the last 10 years. Tedford's shelf-life expired years ago.
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oh noes! first off 3 of those guys didnt' play the next week so lets not act like every injury was a fake one. and second it did not effect the outcome of the game.

you don't understand the recruiting process at all do you?

when have i been trumpeting tedford? i don't think he's that great, but he did do a lot for oregon. and i love the almost or nothing program comment. compared to oregon historically cal is the one of the best programs in ncaa history. remind me how many people you were drawing in the 80s and your programs liftime .350 winning %.
 
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#880
droski said:
oh noes! first off 3 of those guys didnt' play the next week so lets not act like every injury was a fake one. and second it did not effect the outcome of the game.

you don't understand the recruiting process at all do you?

when have i been trumpeting tedford? i don't think he's that great, but he did do a lot for oregon. and i love the almost or nothing program comment. compared to oregon historically cal is the one of the best programs in ncaa history. remind me how many people you were drawing in the 80s and your programs liftime .350 winning %.
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Damn, that's a lower winning percentage than we have. Didn't think it'd be that low.
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#882
#882
uh oh

SPORTSbyBROOKS Lyles: Kelly Directly Involved In Possible Coverup

Shelton co-host Marcus Coleman to Lyles: “Was Chip Kelly directly in involved in the scramble for documents or was it strictly Josh Gibson?“

Lyles: “I spoke with Josh and I also spoke with Coach Kelly throughout that period and the phone records will reflect that. I spoke with both individuals.”

Shelton: “So Chip Kelly was a part of the entire deal?”

Lyles: “I spoke him with and we did discuss it, yes.”
 
#884
#884
droski pulling stats out of his ass once again. Oregon is 555-468-47 all time. That's a .541 winning percentage. Not .350.
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#886
#886
droski said:
uh oh

SPORTSbyBROOKS Lyles: Kelly Directly Involved In Possible Coverup

Shelton co-host Marcus Coleman to Lyles: “Was Chip Kelly directly in involved in the scramble for documents or was it strictly Josh Gibson?“

Lyles: “I spoke with Josh and I also spoke with Coach Kelly throughout that period and the phone records will reflect that. I spoke with both individuals.”

Shelton: “So Chip Kelly was a part of the entire deal?”

Lyles: “I spoke him with and we did discuss it, yes.”
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"Sour grapes" per Wheaton
 
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#891
#892
#892
He could give his side of the story any time he wants, but I'd bet my paycheck the Ducks don't want him to say a word....
 
#893
#893
droski said:
oh noes! first off 3 of those guys didnt' play the next week so lets not act like every injury was a fake one. and second it did not effect the outcome of the game.
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Where did I claim that every injury was faked or that it affected the outcome of that game?

Whether or not every player faked or the cheating worked is irrelevant. Tedford tried to change the outcome of a game by having a player fake an injury. Then, he had an assistant coach take the fall for it so he didn't have to face the heat.

On the other hand, you have Oregon who hired the same service as Tedford. The only apparent difference being that Lyles told Oregon when Seastrunk wanted to visit and gave recruiting information verbally without writing a lot of it down. Where is the deliberate rule breaking to change the outcome of anything?

droski said:
you don't understand the recruiting process at all do you?
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Explain to me how Lyles telling Oregon when Seastrunk wanted to visit had a significant impact? How did not having information he gave them verbally written down significantly impact anything?

droski said:
when have i been trumpeting tedford? i don't think he's that great, but he did do a lot for oregon. and i love the almost or nothing program comment. compared to oregon historically cal is the one of the best programs in ncaa history. remind me how many people you were drawing in the 80s and your programs liftime .350 winning %.
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You seem to miss the point completely. I specified the last 10 years because Tedford was the context. Unless he is able to make some great hires like Belotti did with Kelly, he's not going to be the one to take Cal to the next level. And that's fine by me. You were the one who tried to change the subject from his cheating at Cal to what he did for Oregon when he wasn't cheating.

CountVolcula said:
"Sour grapes" per Wheaton
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No. Just old news. He said that he spoke to Kelly the first time he described the rush to comply with the written documents requirement. I don't think that matter is as outlandish as you want it to be.

droski said:
It’s that these young men, who were sought after be some of the most prestigious football programs in the entire country, looked to Lyles during one of the most important times in their young adult lives.

which is exactly why oregon can't give the guy $25K
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Which you have not been able to clearly substantiate. What rule establishes that Lyles could not help Seastrunk who didn't have the same type of parent help that most other PSAs have?
 
#894
#894
Caple’s Corner: Hating Oregon is nothing new, but LylesGate makes it easier | Seattle PI Sports Blog - seattlepi.com

Because while there is plenty to dislike about Chip Kelly and Oregon and the way it has handled itself at pretty much every stage of this whole Lyles mess, there is one underlying fact in play here that has received little attention, but has undoubtedly helped lead to the Ducks’ evisceration in local and national media the past nine days:

There wasn’t a whole lot to like about Oregon in the first place.
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You just knew there was a reason you didn’t like him, right?

Well, that’s how Huskies fans have felt about Oregon for years. Yes, their fans are the rudest and most hostile in the Pac-12, their uniforms would be considered over-the-top on Lady Gaga and the construction of their gaudy athletic facilities wouldn’t have been possible without their sugar daddy.
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LOL
 
#895
#895
wheaton4prez said:
I stand corrected on the 2011 point. Though, I don't see how that changes much. It was being claimed that all of the documents he provided were outdated. They were not.

Based on what has been said, Lyles gave information verbally about 2011 recruits. It's known that they were playing catch-up with the written documents requirement. That doesn't mean that they didn't receive legitimate services otherwise.
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They claim to have paid for a 2011 National Service, and yet there's not a single shred of proof that they got info on even one 2011 recruit. You don't think that's suspicious to the NCAA? You think they had 25K worth of phone conversations?
 
#898
#898
droski said:
uh oh

SPORTSbyBROOKS Lyles: Kelly Directly Involved In Possible Coverup

Shelton co-host Marcus Coleman to Lyles: “Was Chip Kelly directly in involved in the scramble for documents or was it strictly Josh Gibson?“

Lyles: “I spoke with Josh and I also spoke with Coach Kelly throughout that period and the phone records will reflect that. I spoke with both individuals.”

Shelton: “So Chip Kelly was a part of the entire deal?”

Lyles: “I spoke him with and we did discuss it, yes.”
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I wonder how wheaton will houdini himself out of this one. :eek:hmy:
 
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#899
VKAman said:
They claim to have paid for a 2011 National Service, and yet there's not a single shred of proof that they got info on even one 2011 recruit. You don't think that's suspicious to the NCAA? You think they had 25K worth of phone conversations?
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A) Lyles says that he gave them information about 2011 recruits verbally (in addition to video for over 50 PSAs). Unless he is lying, that proves that they did get info for several 2011 recruits. Again, the written materials requirement is not intended to reflect everything that a team pays for or restrict them from getting information in other ways.

B) Lyles writing 2011 National Service on an invoice is not the same thing as Oregon claiming to have paid for a 2011 service.

C) Suspicion is not the same thing as demonstrating that a team broke rules.

D) They had quite a few phone calls. I don't see why good information about recruits wouldn't be worth $25k. Many other programs have paid that much for recruiting services. I know that my company would charge more than that for the amount of time those calls represent.
 
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