GOP wants to force this girl to have the baby

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KoachKrab127 said:
Also, show me exactly where in the Bible it says that life begins at conception. This is the huge argument conservatives always throw out there, yet it just is not in the Bible. Actually, there are quite a few bible verses where God "rips the wombs of pregnant women open."
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Conflating abortion qualms and religion is a standard straw man. I'm not anti-abortion but I do have problems with it and am definitely against late term abortions. I am NOT religious in anyway and my objections are in no way connected to religion or belief in a creator etc.

Clearly, human life has exists before birth - we see it everyday in premature births and c-sections. It is a balancing of life rights. Between conception and birth when is it "life"? I have no idea.
 
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volinbham said:
Gramps already did - I'm sure there's all kinds of stupid crap in the Dem platform too. Bottomline is that the GOP as a whole doesn't want to force this girl to have the baby - you jumped to that conclusion.
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Then they need to advise their stupid politicians from saying things about "legitimate rape," that a rapist's baby is a "gift from God," and take the simplistic statement out of their platform.
 
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KoachKrab127 said:
Then they need to advise their stupid politicians from saying things about "legitimate rape," that a rapist's baby is a "gift from God," and take the simplistic statement out of their platform.
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The entire GOP leadership condemned Akin for his "legitimate rape" comments yet you go ahead and say it is GOP policy. Sounds like those GOP politicians aren't the only ones making extreme and stupid statements.
 
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volinbham said:
Conflating abortion qualms and religion is a standard straw man. I'm not anti-abortion but I do have problems with it and am definitely against late term abortions. I am NOT religious in anyway and my objections are in no way connected to religion or belief in a creator etc.

Clearly, human life has exists before birth - we see it everyday in premature births and c-sections. It is a balancing of life rights. Between conception and birth when is it "life"? I have no idea.
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In my opinion, life begins when the baby can survive outside of the mother's body. So yes, like you, I am against late term abortion. It's somewhere around 20-24 weeks when the baby has a chance to survive outside the womb. And that is basically when the law is set.

However, I am not against late term abortions if the child will be born with a horrible disease like Mermaid's syndrome or Tay-Sachs. Or, if the doctors find out the mother's life is in danger.
 
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volinbham said:
The entire GOP leadership condemned Akin for his "legitimate rape" comments yet you go ahead and say it is GOP policy. Sounds like those GOP politicians aren't the only ones making extreme and stupid statements.
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It is GOP policy until it is out of their platform.
 
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KoachKrab127 said:
In my opinion, life begins when the baby can survive outside of the mother's body. So yes, like you, I am against late term abortion. It's somewhere around 20-24 weeks when the baby has a chance to survive outside the womb. And that is basically when the law is set.

However, I am not against late term abortions if the child will be born with a horrible disease like Mermaid's syndrome or Tay-Sachs. Or, if the doctors find out the mother's life is in danger.
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Are you okay with someone deciding say at week 16 that they want to not be a mom because it will interfere with the plans they made so they decide to terminate?
 
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KoachKrab127 said:
It is GOP policy until it is out of their platform.
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you do know that there are quite a few democrats who feel the same way, don't you? Joe Sestak is one of them. His vote was crucial for passage of Obamacare and the only reason he voted for it is because he was assured federal dollars would not be spent on abortions.

Guess what language is now in the DNC platform?
 
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KoachKrab127 said:
It is GOP policy until it is out of their platform.
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Have you read every line of the DNC platform? Is every word there official DNC policy? Would you say that every word there represents Democrats as a whole and how they would react in any given situation?
 
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MG1968 said:
you do know that there are quite a few democrats who feel the same way, don't you? Joe Sestak is one of them. His vote was crucial for passage of Obamacare and the only reason he voted for it is because he was assured federal dollars would not be spent on abortions.

Guess what language is now in the DNC platform?
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I don't care if they are democrat or republican. If someone says that a rape victim MUST carry that rapist's child, I will be angry.
 
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volinbham said:
Have you read every line of the DNC platform? Is every word there official DNC policy? Would you say that every word there represents Democrats as a whole and how they would react in any given situation?
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I am not a democrat. I disagree with a lot of what the democrats do. I don't defend anything they do that I believe is wrong. However, republicans have just become looney tunes over the past 10 years. This is why I speak out against them the most.

I disagree with lots of what Obama has done. I believe our political system is broken. The entire thing needs major reform.
 
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KoachKrab127 said:
I don't care if they are democrat or republican. If someone says that a rape victim MUST carry that rapist's child, I will be angry.
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some say it but most don't - no chance it becomes law so why generalize it out to the entire GOP unless you are seeking to trash any people that not agree with you politically across the board?
 
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volinbham said:
Are you okay with someone deciding say at week 16 that they want to not be a mom because it will interfere with the plans they made so they decide to terminate?
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I would think that it is strange that they wait until week 16 to decide that they do not want to have a kid, but no, I wouldn't have a problem with it. I would also feel lots of pity for that woman because she might be making an abrupt decision based on her hormones or influence from others...I don't know, there are too many variables in the hypothetical situation you gave me for me to form an opinion on it. However, it doesn't matter what my opinion or what anyone else's opinion is. My real opinion is this: it's not my choice to make, and I don't intend on forcing that woman to do anything. And I don't want anyone else making that decision for the woman.
 
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KoachKrab127 said:
Yup, the 11 year old must have wanted it...or maybe she was dressed too provocatively. She had it coming. She needs to accept the consequences of the choices she made (according to the GOP).
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Seriously guy? You are using the rape of an eleven year old to troll? That is sad.
 
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IBlvNTmWrk said:
Which is worse... rape or murder? I guess it just depends on your perspective.
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In my opinion, murder can be justified. Rape cannot.

You cannot rape someone is self-defense. You can murder someone in self-defense.

But this doesn't answer the question as to which is worse. It's very difficult to answer. I guess being murdered is worse.
 
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KoachKrab127 said:
In my opinion, murder can be justified. Rape cannot.

You cannot rape someone is self-defense. You can murder someone in self-defense.

But this doesn't answer the question as to which is worse. It's very difficult to answer. I guess being murdered is worse.
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You may want to check up on your definitions.
 
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KoachKrab127 said:
I'm just listing republican talking points.
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Then dont use an eleven year old. Use the talking points.

the example u are using in a one in a million though. It is a sad scenerio that has no winning options.
 
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Most right wing conservatives are ok with abortion if the mothers life is in danger or there was rape. The rape scenerio should happen quickly if possible with the day after pill. If that is not possible then early stage. The issue is not womens rights anymore than flukes crap is. The issue is whether u believe it is murder or not and at what stage it becomes murder.
 
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KoachKrab127 said:
Okay, if you go by the law definition, I would definitely say murder is worse.

Rape is still an extremely horrible thing.
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Fair enough. So if some believe (whether GOP or not) in the right to life for all, then by default abortion becomes an issue. I readily admit, however, that I struggle with this issue in the very same examples you are citing.
 
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IBlvNTmWrk said:
Fair enough. So if some believe (whether GOP or not) in the right to life for all, then by default abortion becomes an issue. I readily admit, however, that I struggle with this issue in the very same examples you are citing.
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And this is where the debate "when does life start" comes into play. I have been clear (and so has the Supreme Court) that life starts when the fetus can survive outside of the womb. It's not a life if it cannot survive outside the womb. It has the potential to become life, but so does the egg...so does the sperm. Are we next going to say that sperm has a right to become a life?
 
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