GOP wants to force this girl to have the baby

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KoachKrab127 said:
And this is where the debate "when does life start" comes into play. I have been clear (and so has the Supreme Court) that life starts when the fetus can survive outside of the womb. It's not a life if it cannot survive outside the womb. It has the potential to become life, but so does the egg...so does the sperm. Are we next going to say that sperm has a right to become a life?
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Wrong. That is not what the sc said. Life can support outside the womb prior to birth. Premature births prove this yet its legal all the eay to birth. What the supreme court said was we want to keep the black population down. That is on record. The decision was racial.
 
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Everything one needs to know about abortion starts and ends with rg's comment on why she voted for it. Evil woman.
 
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KoachKrab127 said:
And this is where the debate "when does life start" comes into play. I have been clear (and so has the Supreme Court) that life starts when the fetus can survive outside of the womb. It's not a life if it cannot survive outside the womb. It has the potential to become life, but so does the egg...so does the sperm. Are we next going to say that sperm has a right to become a life?
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How are you absolutely convicted that life begins at survivability? ...not trying to "trap" you, trying to understand your perspective.
 
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KoachKrab127 said:
And this is where the debate "when does life start" comes into play. I have been clear (and so has the Supreme Court) that life starts when the fetus can survive outside of the womb. It's not a life if it cannot survive outside the womb. It has the potential to become life, but so does the egg...so does the sperm. Are we next going to say that sperm has a right to become a life?
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That's why I said in my original post that "it depends on ones perspective". For me personally, it's a fairly easy decision to consider something like this to be a life.

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NEOCON said:
Then dont use an eleven year old. Use the talking points.

the example u are using in a one in a million though. It is a sad scenerio that has no winning options.
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NEOCON said:
Most right wing conservatives are ok with abortion if the mothers life is in danger or there was rape.
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Then why not have the official platform reflect this?

Why continue to push for the personhood rights bill?

NEOCON said:
The rape scenerio should happen quickly if possible with the day after pill. If that is not possible then early stage. The issue is not womens rights anymore than flukes crap is. The issue is whether u believe it is murder or not and at what stage it becomes murder.
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So abortion is not a women's right issue?

If life begins at conception, the how could you possibly endorse abortion regardless of rape? That is the bind that the GOP is in.
 
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Hey - where's the old gruesome highway patrol driver education pics like we all used to see in the '70's and 80's? Come on people - let's get real here!
 
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PKT_VOL said:
Then why not have the official platform reflect this?

Why continue to push for the personhood rights bill?



So abortion is not a women's right issue?

If life begins at conception, the how could you possibly endorse abortion regardless of rape? That is the bind that the GOP is in.[/

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that is why it is a problem...when does it become murder. Society always gets in trouble when it tries to define a human being.
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VOLFAN_MTSUALUM said:
The same reason this happen. To appease.

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The fact that you have to appease anybody on the exceptions of rape, incest, and life of the mother on abortion speaks volumes in my opinion.

The DNC changing things did not make any sense either. Democrats had been doing well with the Jew vote. Why adopt something to compromise that advantage?

"God" shouldn't be an issue in either platform. It was a dumb move to take it out. There was only going to be negative ramifications.
 
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KoachKrab127 said:
Then they need to advise their stupid politicians from saying things about "legitimate rape," that a rapist's baby is a "gift from God," and take the simplistic statement out of their platform.
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Right after you take the abortion anywhere, anytime, and any number of times out of your platform. See, there is a balancing effect. I you are pro-choice the you are pro-partial birth abortions. Get your moral ducks in a row before you go being all radical left wing on us. Also, if you guys had God in your platform, you may have a moral bearing. The fact that the only way you have God in your platform is because the teleprompter said you do is laughable and actually disturbing at the same time to many people.
 
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TNGlen said:
Right after you take the abortion anywhere, anytime, and any number of times out of your platform. See, there is a balancing effect. I you are pro-choice the you are pro-partial birth abortions. Get your moral ducks in a row before you go being all radical left wing on us. Also, if you guys had God in your platform, you may have a moral bearing. The fact that the only way you have God in your platform is because the teleprompter said you do is laughable and actually disturbing at the same time to many people.
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You take the platform seriously? That's cute.
 
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NEOCON said:
that is why it is a problem...when does it become murder. Society always gets in trouble when it tries to define a human being.
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No doubt that the question of when life "begins" is a difficult philosophical question.

However, life does not begin at conception. That is just plain crazy. I don't even know how rational human being can believe such a thing.

But, if one does believe such a thing regardless of thinking it through, one cannot possibility believe there should be any exception for rape, incest, or the health of the mother. Destroying the embryo is murder. How the specific sperm reaches the egg is irrelevant. Additionally, a miscarriage would criminal.

Parenthood rights for an embryo and life at conception are both just plain nuts.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
No doubt that the question of when life "begins" is a difficult philosophical question.

However, life does not begin at conception. That is just plain crazy. I don't even know how rational human being can believe such a thing.

But, if one does believe such a thing regardless of thinking it through, one cannot possibility believe there should be any exception for rape, incest, or the health of the mother. Destroying the embryo is murder. How the specific sperm reaches the egg is irrelevant. Additionally, a miscarriage would criminal.

Parenthood rights for an embryo and life at conception are both just plain nuts.
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Agreed. Life at conception is a silly notion. Third trimester abortions are murder, plain and simple.

There is a point in between, very very difficult to define where that is though.
 
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TNGlen said:
Right after you take the abortion anywhere, anytime, and any number of times out of your platform. See, there is a balancing effect. I you are pro-choice the you are pro-partial birth abortions. Get your moral ducks in a row before you go being all radical left wing on us. Also, if you guys had God in your platform, you may have a moral bearing. The fact that the only way you have God in your platform is because the teleprompter said you do is laughable and actually disturbing at the same time to many people.
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Save the borboun for a later date...
 
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TNGlen said:
Right after you take the abortion anywhere, anytime, and any number of times out of your platform. See, there is a balancing effect. I you are pro-choice the you are pro-partial birth abortions. Get your moral ducks in a row before you go being all radical left wing on us. Also, if you guys had God in your platform, you may have a moral bearing. The fact that the only way you have God in your platform is because the teleprompter said you do is laughable and actually disturbing at the same time to many people.
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Have another Busch there, Glen.
 
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rjd970 said:
Agreed. Life at conception is a silly notion. Third trimester abortions are murder, plain and simple.

There is a point in between, very very difficult to define where that is though.
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Agree with everything except the bold.

In cases which compromise the health of the mother, I don't believe that is murder. Pretty much all other case though, I would agree with you.
 
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Life clearly begins at conception but it is human life. That is something no one knows yet. I personally have no issues with the day after pills. But late stage abortions are murder and gruesome at that. We wouldnt rip a crimanal to shreds but somehow society is ok with this. I find it sickening.
 
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NEOCON said:
Life clearly begins at conception but it is human life. That is something no one knows yet. I personally have no issues with the day after pills. But late stage abortions are murder and gruesome at that. We wouldnt rip a crimanal to shreds but somehow society is ok with this. I find it sickening.
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What is your definition of late stage? This is mildly important.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
Agree with everything except the bold.

In cases which compromise the health of the mother, I don't believe that is murder. Pretty much all other case though, I would agree with you.
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NEOCON said:
Life clearly begins at conception but it is human life. That is something no one knows yet. I personally have no issues with the day after pills. But late stage abortions are murder and gruesome at that. We wouldnt rip a crimanal to shreds but somehow society is ok with this. I find it sickening.
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I do believe that life begins at conception. After all, what is the definition of life......Bacteria are alive. The question is when do you believe a fetus becomes a child. That is a question that no one can answer and should be left up to the discretion of parent(s). However, I do believe that late stage (and how do you define this "time") abortions are killing an unborn child. They can be classified as murder if they are purely to rid the mother of the child and neither are a danger to the other. However, they can be classified as killing a fetus if there is a mortal threat to the mother. That is when it becomes a family choice and not should be left up to the family with ANY government intervention. JMO. Additionally, it is pathetic that this country has gotten to where this is even a platform issue.
 
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TNGlen said:
Kinda funny, the OP's comments are about the right's supposed platform yet when the left's platform is outlined in black and white, it's not serious and I am drinking. I find you guys laughable.
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The platform on both sides is no more than a gimmick to appease the base of the parties.
 
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Gramps said:
The platform on both sides is no more than a gimmick to appease the base of the parties.
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LOL, you and several others have been saying that. It's those that insist on waving the right's platform as a clear plan for Romney and then saying just kidding when you talk about the left's. Kinda reminds me of the MLB. Today you play on one team, tomorrow it's another, then next week, you wear another jersey.
 
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TNGlen said:
LOL, you and several others have been saying that. It's those that insist on waving the right's platform as a clear plan for Romney and then saying just kidding when you talk about the left's. Kinda reminds me of the MLB. Today you play on one team, tomorrow it's another, then next week, you wear another jersey.
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Ok, this coming from a guy with Tennessee as his first team and Alabama as his second...
 
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