Ground zero mosque.

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What I don't understand is the argument is that this is to educate those of us who are ignorant about Islam, and that's why they're building a culture center. If they're really just trying to help us be tolerant, why not just build a culture center and build a mosque somewhere where it would be much less controversial?

But I'm not sure there's any way to stop them.
 
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droski said:
this is why i object to it. it sends a message to the terrorists that if they do evil islam will grow out of the rubble. it actually encourages further terrorism. a lot of money being spent on this and don't tell me a lot of it isn't sympathic to al queada.
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Tie their funding to Al Queada and you can shut this down on legal grounds. Since its being built on private property the government should have no say, so long as the laws are followed.
 
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tvolsfan said:
If they're really just trying to help us be tolerant, why not just build a culture center and build a mosque somewhere where no one can be offended by it?
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where would you suggest they build it so people won't be offended? Maybe Murfreesboro?
 
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lumberjack4 said:
Tie their funding to Al Queada and you can shut this down on legal grounds. Since its being built on private property the government should have no say, so long as the laws are followed.
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with the amount of money the govt has given those developers it's absurd to argue it's private property.
 
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utvolpj said:
where would you suggest they build it so people won't be offended? Maybe Murfreesboro?
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Obviously there's no set line, and some people will always complain, but they didn't need to build one this close. Once again, I'm not saying we should just be able to stop this, but if they're really just trying to "encourage tolerance," this is a stupid way to go about it.
 
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lylsmorr said:
At least half a city away from where Islamic extremists killed thousands of people
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then you be sure to remind the good people of middle TN that they have no right to be offended since I think that is far enough away. Thing is, someone will always be offended by something. Find something unlawful about the choice or move on. Fortunately poor judgment by itself is not a crime in the US
 
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utvolpj said:
then you be sure to remind the good people of middle TN that they have no right to be offended since I think that is far enough away. Thing is, someone will always be offended by something. Find something unlawful about the choice or move on. Fortunately poor judgment by itself is not a crime in the US
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wait, did I miss something? How did middle TN get brought into this? I thought we were talking about NYC
 
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lylsmorr said:
wait, did I miss something? How did middle TN get brought into this? I thought we were talking about NYC
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because people are saying it needs to be moved far enough away as not to offend. I'm just suggesting an alternate location which is sure to be far enough away and please everyone
 
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they wouldn't want to build the mosque there if it was simply about tolerance. they had to have known this would get this reaction. they understand the message of a mosque growing out of the rubble that it gives the islamic terrorists. any group intent on making americans like muslims more woudl have immediately changed their plans when the uproar hit.
 
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utvolpj said:
because people are saying it needs to be moved far enough away as not to offend. I'm just suggesting an alternate location which is sure to be far enough away and please everyone
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there are plenty of locations that do not send a positive message to terrorists.
 
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utvolpj said:
because people are saying it needs to be moved far enough away as not to offend. I'm just suggesting an alternate location which is sure to be far enough away and please everyone
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I honestly don't care if it's on the next block from the financial district, but to put in on ground zero is tasteless and has an ulterior motive. And they know how much it would offend the people of NYC and the US
 
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joevol320 said:
i was listening to a radio program about this and the guest said that to the muslims it is a very significant symbol. he proceded to give numerous example of when muslim had built mosques after they had defeated various foes throughout history. he said the mosques have always been a sign of victory over their enemy. he said when they took over land from Israel they always built a mosque once they controlled the land. it was really interesting show. the guy said this was par to the course of what muslims do to show the muslim world how they are winning against their enemies.
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Yes, "guest" on radio clearly has poobah insight into all world events and obviously purpose of building cultural center is secret nod amongst all Muslims that they won.

Pure idiocy.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Yes, "guest" on radio clearly has poobah insight into all world events and obviously purpose of building cultural center is secret nod amongst all Muslims that they won.

Pure idiocy.
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why is it idiocy? I think it makes complete sense. All cultures have done things similarly. It's not a reason, under our legal system to stop the progress nonetheless.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
why is it idiocy? I think it makes complete sense. All cultures have done things similarly. It's not a reason, under our legal system to stop the progress nonetheless.
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I guess I'd like some evidence that their motive is to needle us pointlessly versus either a) promote their view of the world (which they are allowed to do); b) express that Islam can do some good and charitable things (which it can); and c) share some of their culture with people who might not otherwise see it.

An unnamed "guest" on the radio doesn't seem like a good source for deciding this. And of course one wonders if it is basically someone who planned going into his study of Islam to come out the other end with the conclusion that they are doing this as part of a pattern of 14th century thumbing their collective noses at us.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I guess I'd like some evidence that their motive is to needle us pointlessly versus either a) promote their view of the world (which they are allowed to do); b) express that Islam can do some good and charitable things (which it can); and c) share some of their culture with people who might not otherwise see it.

An unnamed "guest" on the radio doesn't seem like a good source for deciding this. And of course one wonders if it is basically someone who planned going into his study of Islam to come out the other end with the conclusion that they are doing this as part of a pattern of 14th century thumbing their collective noses at us.
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I didn't say buying the word of a guest is the way to go. I said that his commentary was a few rungs up from idiocy. All religions and major cultures have placed their icons where ever they could throughout history. It's not needling anyone. It's a recruiting calling card.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I guess I'd like some evidence that their motive is to needle us pointlessly versus either a) promote their view of the world (which they are allowed to do); b) express that Islam can do some good and charitable things (which it can); and c) share some of their culture with people who might not otherwise see it.
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why do you always assume the best of everyone if the tea party doesn't like it and assume the worst if the democrats don't like it? pet peeve of mine.

clearly if their goal was to express that islam can do some good they wouldn't be building a mosque at the world trade center location. or at least would have backed down with the backlash.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Yes, "guest" on radio clearly has poobah insight into all world events and obviously purpose of building cultural center is secret nod amongst all Muslims that they won.

Pure idiocy.
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he gave some very detailed example, of the muslims history. of course he wasn't a lawyer but a historian, so that clearly makes him not certified to say anything. the only idiocy is your posts
 
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joevol320 said:
he gave some very detailed example, of the muslims history. of course he wasn't a lawyer but a historian, so that clearly makes him not certified to say anything. the only idiocy is your posts
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Who was he?

Or at least what show was he on, maybe we can figure out who the guest was.

Would love to Google him and check his credentials.
 
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lawgator1 said:
It's in incredibly bad taste, but in a way I can see a point to separating out the overall religion of Islam from what the terrorists did.


:popcorn:
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It is bad taste to you, to muslims it is a signal of victory over New York and knee pad wearing liberals not only suck it up, they swallow. :bad:







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No. ALL 1,500,000,000 Muslims is terrists.
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ALL 1,500,000,000 will celebrate victory when the eventual grand opening of the facility is held, scheduled symbolically, to be on September 11th.

What do you make of that??

Bowing to political correctness is one thing, to just be dumb as a box of rocks is another.

Anyone who can't see the statement they are making is just that, dumber than a box of rocks.





joevol320 said:
i was listening to a radio program about this and the guest said that to the muslims it is a very significant symbol. he proceded to give numerous example of when muslim had built mosques after they had defeated various foes throughout history. he said the mosques have always been a sign of victory over their enemy. he said when they took over land from Israel they always built a mosque once they controlled the land. it was really interesting show. the guy said this was par to the course of what muslims do to show the muslim world how they are winning against their enemies.
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That's the first phase, the end phase is to destroy all buildings of any other faith or convert them into mosques.





utvolpj said:
I thought we've been told on here that it wasn't important what a religious group had done in history and we should only concern ourselves with the present.
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What do you consider the present???

The last ten years??

The last hundred years??

The last hundred years of the history of islam is no different than the first hundred years.

The main difference is that they cannot compete militarily without America as an ally and so resort to infiltration, deception and terrorism.






lumberjack4 said:
Tie their funding to Al Queada and you can shut this down on legal grounds. Since its being built on private property the government should have no say, so long as the laws are followed.
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They refuse to say where they are getting the money to fund this project.

If we didn't have a muslim in the white house and a bunch of knee pad liberals running New York City then we could certainly force them to open their books.

But even then, since 9/11 they have been growing increasingly good at money laundering and hiding finances.
 
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