Ground zero mosque.

[Plano Vol]

You are not thinking like Americans......put a pork BBQ cafe on one side of it and a gentleman's club on the other. Should work out fine.

 

[J-P]

You are not thinking like Americans......put a pork BBQ cafe on one side of it and a gentleman's club on the other. Should work out fine.

:clap:

 

[MG1968]

they should build a 14-story Synagogue next door

 

[gsvol]

then you be sure to remind the good people of middle TN that they have no right to be offended since I think that is far enough away. Thing is, someone will always be offended by something. Find something unlawful about the choice or move on. Fortunately poor judgment by itself is not a crime in the US

The only thing the good people of middle TN need to reminded of is the sinister agenda of islam.

Poor judgement in this country is rewarded with government subsidies.

 

[knucklehead_vol]

Who was he?

Or at least what show was he on, maybe we can figure out who the guest was.

Would love to Google him and check his credentials.

I believe he is talking about a former CIA agent who is considered one of the foremost experts on Sharia Law. Can't recall his name though.

 

[gsvol]

every time you claim that God kills a kitten

I'll bet your mom still thinks you're a cute lil tyke.

Here is something constructive for you to do.
(turn up the sound!)

as long as the rest are moved too then I have no issues

The rest of what moved where??

Then do a little bit of investigative reporting. I'm sure you can blow the lid of this thing gs.

Here is the latest:

More on Dutch Funding of Ground Zero Mosque and Daisy Khan's Polygamy Initiatives - Atlas Shrugs

Did you read the latest on Dearbornistan??

Fifteen hundred Hezbollah soldiers lurking in the wings.

You are not thinking like Americans......put a pork BBQ cafe on one side of it and a gentleman's club on the other. Should work out fine.

If the same thing happens there as has been hapening in lower Manhatten for years, the muslims will claim to be offended by the use of alchohol in their vicinity and the NY state liqour board will refuse to renew the license for the offending bars.

I'm sure the same would happen for a pork bar-b-que joint.

Appeasement seems to be the order of the day.

Of course if you object to appeasement you will be accused of intolerance and bigotry by the PC crowd and who isn't politically correct these days??

Far too few.

I believe he is talking about a former CIA agent who is considered one of the foremost experts on Sharia Law. Can't recall his name though.

One ex FBI agent says he thinks they are infiltrating across the Mexican border, bringing hi-tech explosives and agents and plan to stage an event of terror bombings to be sheduled for the same day from coast to coast.

 

[gsvol]

More:

Rauf’s Dawa from the World Trade Center Rubble - Andrew C. McCarthy on National Review Online

Both ISNA and IIIT have been up to their necks in the promotion of Hamas, the Muslim Brotherhood’s ruthless Palestinian branch, which is pledged by charter to the destruction of Israel. In fact, both ISNA and IIIT were cited by the Justice Department as unindicted co-conspirators in a crucial terrorism-financing case involving the channeling of tens of millions of dollars to Hamas through an outfit called the Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development. For the last 15 years, Hamas has been a designated terrorist organization under U.S. law.

Dawa, whether done from the rubble of the World Trade Center or elsewhere, is the missionary work by which Islam is spread. As explained in my recent book, The Grand Jihad, dawa is proselytism, but not involving only spiritual elements — for Islam is not merely a religion, and spiritual elements are just a small part of its doctrine. In truth, Islam is a comprehensive political, social, and economic system with its own authoritarian legal framework, sharia, which aspires to govern all aspects of life.

This framework rejects core tenets of American constitutional republicanism: for example, individual liberty, freedom of conscience, freedom to govern ourselves irrespective of any theocratic code, equality of men and women, equality of Muslims and non-Muslims, and economic liberty, including the uses of private property (in Islam, owners hold property only as a custodians for the umma, the universal Muslim nation, and are beholden to the Islamic state regarding its use). Sharia prohibits the preaching of creeds other than Islam, the renunciation of Islam, any actions that divide the umma, and homosexuality. Its penalties are draconian, including savagely executed death sentences for apostates, homosexuals, and adulterers.
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In considering Imam Rauf and his Ground Zero project, Qaradawi and the Muslim Brotherhood are extremely important. Like most Muslims, Rauf regards Qaradawi as a guide, and referred to him in 2001 as “the most well-known legal authority in the whole Muslim world today.” And indeed he is: a prominent, Qatar-based scholar whose weekly Al Jazeera program on the subject of sharia is viewed by millions and whose cyber-venture, Islam Online, is accessed by millions more, including Muslims in the United States. Not surprisingly, his rabble-rousing was a prime cause of the deadly global rioting by Muslims when an obscure Danish newspaper published cartoon depictions of Mohammed.

Qaradawi regards the United States as the enemy of Islam. He has urged that Muslims “fight the American military if we can, and if we cannot, we should fight the U.S. economically and politically.” In 2004, he issued a fatwa (an edict based on sharia) calling for Muslims to kill Americans in Iraq. A leading champion of Hamas, he has issued similar approvals of suicide bombings in Israel. Moreover, as recounted in Matthew Levitt’s history of Hamas, Qaradawi has decreed that Muslims must donate money to “support Palestinians fighting occupation. . . . If we can’t carry out acts of jihad ourselves, we at least should support and prop up the mujahideen [i.e., Islamic raiders or warriors] financially and morally.”

The Ground Zero project to erect a monument to sharia overlooking the crater where the World Trade Center once stood, and where thousands were slaughtered, is not a test of America’s commitment to religious liberty. America already has thousands of mosques and Islamic centers, including scores in the New York area — though Islam does not allow non-Muslims even to enter its crown-jewel cities of Mecca and Medina, much less to build churches or synagogues.

The Ground Zero project is a test of America’s resolve to face down a civilizational jihad that aims, in the words of its leaders, to destroy us from within.

 

[arTfuldodger]

I can see both sides on this. I saw a debate last week and they said it's not a mosque, but a museum of some sorts on islam.

I bet it is.
Sure, they'll even walk you out to ground zero and let you take pics and give you some "background info" (pun intended) Sheesh.
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[gsvol]

I bet it is.
Sure, they'll even walk you out to ground zero and let you take pics and give you some "background info" (pun intended) Sheesh.
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"Doublethink means the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them."
George Orwell

"People can foresee the future only when it coincides with their own wishes, and the most grossly obvious facts can be ignored when they are unwelcome."
George Orwell

The Ground Zero Mosque’s Dubious Champions

It seems a safe bet that these numbers will become more pronounced over time as Americans learn that the driving force behind the Ground Zero Mosque, Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, adheres to the same intolerant, supremacist agenda as did the perpetrators of the 9/11 attack. The authorities of Islam call it “Shariah.”

It turns out that there is no difference between Rauf’s agenda and al Qaeda’s; they both want to bring Shariah to America. They apparently disagree only on the techniques by which that is to be accomplished.

For al Qaeda and its ilk, the preferred means is through terrifying violence. For the likes of Rauf, it is through dawa – the “stealth jihad” of proselytization, recruitment and indoctrination that enable the penetration of Western societies and the conduct of aggressive influence operations to create beachheads for Shariah and, ultimately, its triumph. The latter is best described by the Muslim Brotherhood’s mission statement: “…Eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and ‘sabotaging’ its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God’s religion is made victorious over all other religions.”

That Shariah-dictated stealth jihadist program would appear to be consistent with Imam Rauf’s agenda according to a preeminent Islamic scholar, Andrew Bostom. Bostom published an op.ed. in the New York Post yesterday in which he cites a landmark study issued in August 2007 by the New York Police Department (NYPD) entitled “Radicalization in the West – The Homegrown Threat.”

Bostom specifically warned New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg and NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly that, “Imam Feisal Rauf, the central figure in the coterie planning a huge mosque just off Ground Zero, is a full-throated champion of the very same Muslim theologians and jurists [among them prominent figures in the Saudi Arabian application of Shariah known as Wahhabism] identified in a landmark NYPD report as central to promoting the Islamic religious bigotry that fuels modern jihad terrorism.” He added: “The report noted that Saudi ‘Wahhabi’ scholars feed the jihadist ideology, legitimizing an ‘extreme intolerance’ toward non-Muslims, especially Jews, Christians and Hindus. In particular, the [NYPD] analysts noted that the ‘journey’ of radicalization that produces homegrown jihadis often begins in a Wahhabi mosque.”

 

[Heebs]

Gee, must be a coincidence that it's opening up on 9/11. Surely, the proprietors of the Mosque aren't trying to send a thinly veiled message?

And I know it's bad but that picture conjured up some major hatred boiling from within.

 

[gsvol]

Gee, must be a coincidence that it's opening up on 9/11. Surely, the proprietors of the Mosque aren't trying to send a thinly veiled message?

And I know it's bad but that picture conjured up some major hatred boiling from within.

Does that guy to the right of Rauf look like Osama bin-Laden or not?

More on the background of some of the GZ mosque supporters.

The idea of building an Islamic peace memorial in lower Manhattan was circulating as early as 2003. Its early proponents were two Iranian brothers, M. Jafar "Amir" Mahallati, who served as ambassador of the Iranian Islamic Republic to the United Nations from 1987 to 1989, and M. Hossein Mahallati. Amir Mahallati had served with Rauf in the leadership of an obscure nonprofit, the Interfaith Center of New York, for which Rauf was a vice chair and Mahallati a board member. The two had also participated in a 2006 radio program, "From Turmoil to Tourism: Following the Path of Abraham."

Hossein Mahallati had experience of his own in the intersecting New York worlds of charitable giving and property management. He was director from 1983 to 1992 of the Alavi Foundation, set up in 1973 by the government of the shah of Iran as the Pahlavi Foundation, but taken over and renamed after the Khomeini revolution. The Alavi Foundation is currently the subject of a federal civil action seeking forfeiture of assets, including an office building at 650 Fifth Avenue in Manhattan and four Shia mosques and schools in New York, California, Maryland, and Texas.

While U.S. sanctions on the Alavi Foundation, announced in 2009, received little notice, the government's charges are disturbing. They include control of Alavi by the Tehran dictatorship through its diplomats at the United Nations, and transfer of income from the office building at 650 Fifth Avenue to Bank Melli, the Iranian national financial institution.

Bank Melli had been designated a "Weapons of Mass Destruction proliferator" by the U.S. Treasury Department. Under Secretary for Terrorism and Financial Intelligence Stuart Levey noted, "The international community has recognized the proliferation risks posed by Iran's Bank Melli."

In late 2009, the Alavi Foundation's last head, Farshid Jahedi, pled guilty to two felony counts of obstruction of justice for destroying documents about the Alavi-Melli relationship that had been subpoenaed in the investigation, which continues. Jahedi was sentenced on April 29 to three months' imprisonment, six months' supervised release, and a $3,000 fine.

Hossein Mahallati was the subject of an unsuccessful federal inquiry in 1992 regarding an alleged conspiracy to export biological warfare materials to Iran. His predecessor as Alavi director, Manoucher Shafie, who managed the foundation's transition from serving the shah's government to that of Ayatollah Khomeini, was charged with conspiring to export prohibited U.S. technology to Iran. Neither was prosecuted.

Hossein Mahallati remains an enthusiastic supporter of Rauf's Ground Zero enterprise, especially since an Egyptian property developer, Sharif El-Gamal, who appears to be the real leader of the effort, using Rauf as his public face, put up $4.85 million in cash to purchase the location.

El-Gamal is chief executive officer of Soho Properties, Inc., a commercial real estate investment firm he founded in 2003. His partner is Nour Mousa, another guiding figure in the Ground Zero mosque effort and the nephew of Amr Moussa, head of the Arab League. Amr Moussa was the first major Arab leader to go to Gaza and affirm support for Hamas, in mid-June, after the recent blockade-running assault.

El-Gamal has kept a low profile in the dispute over the appearance of an Islamic institution near Ground Zero, although last week he appeared before a hearing of the New York City Landmarks Preservation Commission to announce that Cordoba House will now be known as Park51. He and Rauf have both taken to downplaying the religious character of the proposal, preferring that the building be called a "community center."

 

[g8terh8ter_eric]

BAD BAD BAD idea. Wonder if O'Dummy will be there at the ribbon cutting ceremony talking about equality??

 

[gsvol]

BAD BAD BAD idea. Wonder if O'Dummy will be there at the ribbon cutting ceremony talking about equality??

No doubt he will if they succeed.

From a Canadian perspective;

Monument to jihad | Comment | Toronto Sun

When a car bomb was discovered in Times Square this spring, Bloomberg announced his suspicions on national TV: “Somebody with a political agenda, that doesn’t like the health-care bill or something.”
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The driving force of the mosque is a radical imam named Feisal Abdul Rauf.

Just weeks after 9/11 he told 60 Minutes that America had it coming—U.S. policies were to blame, and Americans were “an accessory to the crime.”

That’s like telling a rape victim it’s her fault for wearing a skirt.
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Rauf won’t even admit that Islamic terroristswere responsible for 9/11 itself. He told a New York radio station that’s just the “general perception.”
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There are 100 mosques in New York City. But the Ground Zero mosque isn’t really a mosque. It’s a jihadist headquarters. And if the secret $100 million is from Saudi Arabia, it’s not even a mosque at all—it’s a clandestine embassy for the country from which 15 out of 19 9/11 terrorists came.

Bloomberg should be shot on sight.

 

[gsvol]

BAD BAD BAD idea. Wonder if O'Dummy will be there at the ribbon cutting ceremony talking about equality??

An even worse idea:

Another Memorial To Jihad? | NewsReal Blog

Rawls said the memorial contains all 12 prominent features found in mosques.

 

[gsvol]

It’s About Sharia - Andrew C. McCarthy on National Review Online

First, some Islamists employ mass-murder attacks while others prefer a gradual march through our institutions — our legal, political, academic, and financial systems, as well as our broader culture; the goal of both, though, is the same. The stealth Islamists occasionally feign outrage at the terrorists, but their quarrel is over methodology and pace. Both camps covet the same outcome.

Second, that outcome is the death of freedom. In Islamist ideology, sharia is deemed to be the necessary precondition for Islamicizing a society — for Islam is not merely a religious doctrine, but a comprehensive socio-economic and political system. As the former speaker elaborated, sharia embodies principles and punishments that are abhorrent to Western values. Indeed, its foundational premise is anti-American, holding that we are not free people at liberty to govern ourselves irrespective of any theocratic code, that people are instead beholden to the Islamic state, which is divinely enjoined to impose Allah’s laws.

Sharia, moreover, is anti-equality. It subjugates women and brutally punishes transgressors, particularly homosexuals and apostates. While our law forbids cruel and unusual punishments, ............. the brutality in sharia sanctions is not gratuitous, but intentional: It is meant to enforce Allah’s will by striking example.

1. Every single muslim center is the hub of sharia law. It governs its members by sharia, in detail, and strictly regimented - down to what they should do on each hour of each day.

2. Every single center is owned by a single national waqf, which is itself a sharia institution. The waqf for the US is here:

NAIT

The centers run themselves, according to sharia law grounded in their clerics and madrassas, but they are given in trust to the waqf who has a higher sharia authority.

BILL GATES FUNDS GULEN ISLAMIST MOVEMENT | thelastcrusade

Cosmos Foundation, a Gulen enterprise that operates twenty five publicly funded charter schools in Texas.

The Internal Revenue Service Form 990 for Cosmos shows that the Cosmos Foundation received $41,570,721 from taxpayers.

At present, there are 85 Gulan madrassahs (Islamic schools) in the United States, and all operate with public funding.
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Because of their subversive nature, these schools have been outlawed in Russia and Uzbekistan.

Even the Netherlands, a nation that embraces pluralism and tolerance, has opted to cut funding to the Gulen schools because of their imminent threat to the social order.
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At the Gulen schools, students are indoctrinated in Turkish culture, language, and religion so that they may be of service in making Fethullah Gulan’s dream of a universal caliphate a reality. The madrassahs sponsor Turkish clubs, Turkish language societies, Turkish dance groups, and annual trips to Istanbul.

According to Stephen Schwartz of the Center for Islamic Pluralism, the 85 Gulen schools advance and promote Islamic beliefs; present the Ottoman Empire, which lasted from 1299 to 1923, as a golden age; and serve to rewrite history by denying the Armenian holocaust under the Turks during World War I.
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You must move in the arteries of the system without anyone noticing your existence until you reach all the power centers … until the conditions are ripe, they [the followers] must continue like this. If they do something prematurely, the world will crush our heads,......

Islamist leader Burhan Hanif tells Aussie Muslims to 'shun democracy' | News.com.au

LEADERS of the global Islamist group Hizb ut-Tahrir have called on Australian Muslims to spurn secular democracy and Western notions of moderate Islam and join the struggle for a transnational Islamic state.

British Hizb ut-Tahrir leader Burhan Hanif told participants at a conference in western Sydney yesterday that democracy is "haram" (forbidden) for Muslims, whose political engagement should be be based purely on Islamic law.

"We must adhere to Islam and Islam alone," Mr Hanif told about 500 participants attending the convention in Lidcombe.

"We should not be conned or succumb to the disingenuous and flawed narrative that the only way to engage politically is through the secular democratic process. It is prohibited and haram."

He said democracy was incompatible with Islam because the Koran insisted Allah was the sole lawmaker, and Muslim political involvement could not be based on "secular and erroneous concepts such as democracy and freedom".
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HT is outlawed in much of the Middle East but operates legally in more than 40 countries, campaigning for the establishment of a caliphate or Islamic state.

 

[RockyTopVol]

The mosque will now include a memorial with the names of all 9/11 victims. How nice of the American Society For Muslim Advancement for extending themselves.


FOXNews.com - Controversial Mosque Near Ground Zero Would Include 9/11 Memorial, Backer Says

What a load of bs!

 

[gsvol]

The mosque will now include a memorial with the names of all 9/11 victims. How nice of the American Society For Muslim Advancement for extending themselves.


FOXNews.com - Controversial Mosque Near Ground Zero Would Include 9/11 Memorial, Backer Says

What a load of bs!

The islamic jihadist attack on 9/11 resulted in the heaviest loss of life on American soil since the civil war, (war of northern agression if you prefer), more even that the Japanese sneak attack on Pearl Harbor.

What a bunch of cowards and liars.

We need to erect a memorial with the names of the 10 million Christians killed in the name of islamic jihad during the 20th century.

 

[gsvol]

This from a retired USAF Fighter Pilot who has served in combat. He is fluent in Arabic, reading as well as speaking, and has read the Qu'ran in the original Arabic.

He vouches for the content of the Video presented in the link below. His words to his correspondents, his name and e-mail address are omitted as he has previously received death threats for what he has published.

See the video and wonder why, the best known apostate in the world (BHO) from Islam has not had a FATWA of death issued by the Jihaddist Imams of the world!

Friends:

A group calling themselves “White Roses” created a video to inform non-Muslims about Islam. The name of this video is Three Things About Islam.

White Roses is head quartered in Sweden. This first version is in English. The name “White Roses” is based on a student resistance group “Die weiße Rose” in Nazi Germany. The group became known for an anonymous leaflet campaign, from June 1942 until February 1943, which called for active opposition to Adolf Hitler’s regime.

I urge all of you to view this video. You may be familiar with the points made in this video but many Americans are not, either out of a desire to put their heads in the sand to avoid confronting the problem or just simple ignorance of the crisis we face.

It may not be possible to get all the Dramatis Persona to acknowledge this Islamic road to perdition but those Americans, who just do not know, out of ignorance, just might find the learning experience worth while.

As a person who has spent lengthy time studying Islam I can tell you this video is one of the best I have seen…it’s short and to the point and all those points are dead on!

YouTube - Three Things About Islam

Further:

A Trojan mosque and the pursuit of a Muslim settlement at Ground Zero | The Daily Caller - Breaking News, Opinion, Research, and Entertainment

Imam Feisal Adbul Rauf and his wife, Daisy Khan, the two halves of the public – and outwardly, “peaceful” – face of the Ground Zero Mosque effort, have proved themselves extremely competent practitioners of modern day media interaction; soft-spoken and articulate, they are faithfully “on-message” with their aspirations to help “bridge” the cultural divide, and to be regarded as the “anti-terrorists.”

Rauf and Kahn are nimble, and seemingly non-threatening. They are also the lucky beneficiaries of a compliant and un-inquisitive media.

For who can honestly begrudge Rauf and Kahn their inability to reconcile Rauf’s post-911 assertion that America was an “accessory” to the terrorist slaughter of 3,000 of her own; their refusal to disclose the sources of the $100 Million they are raising; or their malleable condemnation of “terrorism?” And is their apparent condemnation of terrorism conditional, such as it is with many who identify with political Islam? Also, what about Rauf’s refusal to denounce the violent terrorist group Hamas as a terrorist organization?

These would seem the salient questions…and yet, these queries are never made during the “interviews” to which these two submit. If only their “mainstream” inquisitors would dig as deep within the Muslim community as they do looking for any trace or nuance that could be construed as “racism” among the “tea parties.” And to those who argue that the mosque isn’t “at ground zero,” we say, you are right, it’s not actually perched on top of the hole, but if you had been there on Sept. 11, 2001, you would have had a front row seat to the carnage, and debris would have rained down upon you.

Rauf and Kahn’s public retreat from the use of the term “Cordoba House” – with it’s unmistakable historical reference to an Islamic culture that celebrates military victories by eradicating all traces of its enemy (and importantly, that vanquished enemy’s religious culture) by erecting a mosque as an enduring monument to the Supreme Power of Islam – certainly bespeaks a sophistication about “communications framing” that you aren’t likely to find in many “men (or women) of the cloth.” So, let there be no doubt, these two are exceptional.
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This is no fantasy, this is how Fourth Generation Warfare (4GW) is conducted. A 4GW army is comprised of people who place a higher loyalty to an organization, tribe or religion than they pledge to a nation state and its laws. Which is why it’s no surprise that Islamists have publicly acknowledged adopting the tactics of 4GW to wage its war against the West; in an open society, we are never exactly sure who the enemy combatants are because they may not shoot at you, or blow something up. They might smile and say “all we want is peace” while provoking you and stretching the limits of your societal tolerance, leaving their targets confused. All the while never defining what they mean by “peace.”

Islamic extremists know our vulnerabilities and take prompt advantage. Their soft weapons are political, social, and psychological. To combat their advantage, we’d have to sacrifice the freedom that forms the foundation of our society and culture. The Islamic extremists are equally confident we’ll never take this route either.

Fourth generation warfare began as a concept developed by William Lind, a military tactics expert, and two Army officers and two Marine Corps officers. Their intention was to lay out the most likely scenario for what Americas’ next war might look like.

That analysis was codified in a 1989 Marine Corps Gazette article authored by Lind, Sutton, and Lieutenant Colonel Gary Wilson.

While terrorism is not necessarily 4GW, the tactics that Islamists are currently using are.
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Islamists know that legal rights and protections provide them the ability to strain our security without even breaking the law, right up until the moment they commit a deadly act of aggression; and since the terrorist often kills himself in the attack, there is no prosecutorial deterrent there either.

And when Middle Eastern looking men intentionally act suspicious and provoke a response from civilians or police, they find a very sympathetic American media willing to help portray them as victims of American bigotry.
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The ability to raise money from around the world while attacking the U.S. is a very resourceful form of warfare and is currently employed from multiple decentralized operations. Is some of the $100 Million behind the Ground Zero Mosque representative of such an operation? We can’t be certain…but we wouldn’t find it an objectionable line of questioning next time Rauf and Kahn deign to be interviewed.

As some of you have pointed out, this isn't exactly at ground zero but it is within a stone's shrow.

911 Mosque Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf Blames Christians: "The US and the West must acknowledge the harm they have done to Muslims before terrorism can end" - Atlas Shrugs

Feisal Abdul Rauf, a New York imam, expects us to believe that jihad warfare was started by the West and can only be ended by the West. He is therefore either concealing or ignorant of the fact that violent jihad is a developed tradition within Islam and found in core Islamic texts (including but not limited to the Qur'an, as well as Hadith and books of Islamic jurisprudence).

In those it has nothing to do with the behavior of infidels. It only has to do with the fact that they are infidels.

 

[KiffinKiller]

I'm all for freedom of religion, but this is ridiculous. Having a mosque near ground zero is one thing, but having one that is connected with the bass-ackwards jihadi mind gymnasts is completely retarded. While were at it, let's let the neo nazi's erect a hitler statue at dachau and auschwitz.

 

[gsvol]

I'm all for freedom of religion, but this is ridiculous. Having a mosque near ground zero is one thing, but having one that is connected with the bass-ackwards jihadi mind gymnasts is completely retarded. While were at it, let's let the neo nazi's erect a hitler statue at dachau and auschwitz.

If you trace any muslim group to it's highest legal authority, you will find they are all connected, it's just a matter of playing good cop, bad cop and sadly many Americans believe and parrot such garbage.

How many remember that in WWII that the nazis and the muslims were aligned?? But today the term islamo-fascism isn't a politically correct term to use.

How many understand that during Clinton's Balkan war we helped set up governments in Croatia, Bosnia and the newly usurped country of Kosovo that were closely aligned with Hitler just over a half century ago??

When Obama was campaigning for the America presidency, (aka world leader, aka 'hope of the world' per Louis Farrakhan, NOI) he spoke in Germany and chose, over the objections of the German government, to speak at the 'Victory Column' which was set in place by Adolph Hitler and is widely considered to be a symbol of the victory of socialism.

How can one measure such audacity or ignore the symbolism??

In Virginia we have erected a bust of Stalin at a memorial to WWII veterans.

FDR may have idolized that mass murderer but most Americans did not and do not.

When we invaded Afghanistan to overthrow the Taliban and drive out al-Qaeda we called the operation 'infinite justice.' Islam's leaders came and said this cannot be, Allah is the sole authority of all justice and so we renamed it 'enduring freedom.'

Now we are supporting an islamic republic in which the taliban will be a part and we have paid for and built over 83 mosques in that backwater barren land.

There are more muslim training camps now on American soil that Afghanistan ever harbored. Just one group of peaceful muslims has over 40 training camps across America and certainly aren't the only group having such camps in America. Local citizens complain of hearing automatic gunfire from within the camps but the Obama administration turns a deaf ear while claiming that right wing terrorists pose the greatest threat and that we should keep an eye on returning soldiers who might become terrorists. No wonder the high suicide rate among soldiers and veterans.

American taxpayers have shelled out over $40 million to fund charter schools that teach islam and call for the overthrow of the American government in route to setting up a worldwide caliphate that should rule all, including America.

America taxpayers pay for muslim imans to minister within our prison system and military. McVeigh was recruited and indoctrinated by muslims but we are told we should fear right wing whites who might be set about to do terrorist activity.

In the prisons they recruit and indoctrinate the worst sort of violent criminals and instead of theaching them to be peaceful law abiding citizens, redirect their violent tendencies toward islamic jihad. Pedophile rapist are recruited and told they have done nothing wrong because muhammed is the ultimate example and that he married a six year old girl that he found desirable and consumated that marriage when she was nine.

The bottom line is that islam isn't really a religion at all, it is a political system that has from the begining and still does today, more than ever, campaign for a system that holds complete worldwide dictatorial power over poltical control, economic dominance, all legal jurisprudence, eradicating all real religions, social norms, relegation of women to second class citizenship and literally all human behavior.

And furthermore, within any areas that do already have such control, in practice, rather than following their own screed, they are the most hypocritical of all the world in how they administer their so-called justice.

When one goes down the road of appeasing a tyrant, in the end the only thing left to give is one's life, which the tyrant is more than willing to take, unless it is more useful to use the appeaser as a slave.

When a nation goes down the road of appeasing tyrants, then in the end the options are to fight for freedom at all costs or abject subjegation or ceasing to exist.

 

[chiggervol]

It makes me sick. It may be perfectly legal but it still serves as a slap in the face to a nation in my opinion.

 

[KiffinKiller]

People have the freedom to practice their religion; it is a fact of life in America. However, when the people practicing can be linked to jihadi extremism it is not acceptable and when it is built in and/or around ground zero it is not acceptable.

Many muslims exist and practice islam in peace all around the world. The problem is the extremists. If jihadi extremists were capable of rational thought, they would realize that jihad is just another word for crusade. So if we decided that people not christian were enemies of God, then we could crusade them into oblivion.

 

[BigPapaVol]

People have the freedom to practice their religion; it is a fact of life in America. However, when the people practicing can be linked to jihadi extremism it is not acceptable and when it is built in and/or around ground zero it is not acceptable.

if we get into the business of deciding who gets to be free in practicing their religion, then we have no freedom of religion.

 

[KiffinKiller]

if we get into the business of deciding who gets to be free in practicing their religion, then we have no freedom of religion.

I'm saying the mosque at ground zero should not happen because it's groud zero and because its linked to extremists.

 

[chiggervol]

if we get into the business of deciding who gets to be free in practicing their religion, then we have no freedom of religion.

Very true. I never thought of it that way.