Ground zero mosque.

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KiffinKiller said:
I'm saying the mosque at ground zero should not happen because it's groud zero and because its linked to extremists.
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I understand the issue, but I'm saying the government should have no hand in telling a particular mosque where it can and cannot locate.
 
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KiffinKiller said:
I'm saying the mosque at ground zero should not happen because it's groud zero and because its linked to extremists.
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A big problem we have now is immigrants that are free to practice religion would also like to practice their own laws (i.e Sharia). I don't understand how people move here thinking its just better version of their old country.
 
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KiffinKiller said:
A big problem we have now is immigrants that are free to practice religion would also like to practice their own laws (i.e Sharia). I don't understand how people move here thinking its just better version of their old country.
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them wanting their own laws has nothing to do with them changing our laws.

The Christian Coalition are a pack of raving lunatics, but I don't think anyone would tell them they can't build an office at the site in question.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
I understand the issue, but I'm saying the government should have no hand in telling a particular mosque where it can and cannot locate.
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I understand this as well - and this was my position before learning that said mosque can be linked to extremists. To be honest - a perversion of faith that rewards violence with salvation should never step foot near ground zero.
 
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KiffinKiller said:
I understand this as well - and this was my position before learning that said mosque can be linked to extremists. To be honest - a perversion of faith that rewards violence with salvation should never step foot near ground zero.
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can you imagine any religious outfit that has no ties to extremists of one variety or another?
 
#81
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BigPapaVol said:
them wanting their own laws has nothing to do with them changing our laws.

The Christian Coalition are a pack of raving lunatics, but I don't think anyone would tell them they can't build an office at the site in question.
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I wouldn't either. But then again, an arm of the CC cannot be linked to 9/11.
 
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Speaking about clinic bombings - just about everyday I drive by the one Eric Rudolph bombed
 
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KiffinKiller said:
I wouldn't either. But then again, an arm of the CC cannot be linked to 9/11.
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Agreed. BigPapaVol makes valid points and in my opinion they can't be argued from a legal standpoint, but this is different in my opinion. It shocks me to think we would allow this to happen whether it's legal or not. It's not like the govt has never abused it's power. Do it now. I'm fine with it.
 
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I dont really have a problem with it. Just throw a few bugs in the walls and maybe park an unmarked FBI car out front and call it even
 
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chiggervol said:
Agreed. BigPapaVol makes valid points and in my opinion they can't be argued from a legal standpoint, but this is different in my opinion. It shocks me to think we would allow this to happen whether it's legal or not. It's not like the govt has never abused it's power. Do it now. I'm fine with it.
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then how are we any different than the countries that support Islam or live under rule of the clerics?
 
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BigPapaVol said:
then how are we any different than the countries that support Islam or live under rule of the clerics?
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It may not make us any different. Seriously. We can do nothing to change those idiots in their own countries but we can sure do something about it in our own. I see your point and I agree with you. Doing it would make us no better than them, but it this case I would be fine with that. Then the argument of "where does it stop" comes up. I don't know and frankly I don't care. I just know that I would be perfectly fine with this being stopped by whoever can stop it. I guess we just have to agree to disagree on this one bud.
 
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chiggervol said:
It may not make us any different. Seriously. We can do nothing to change those idiots in their own countries but we can sure do something about it in our own. I see your point and I agree with you. Doing it would make us no better than them, but it this case I would be fine with that. Then the argument of "where does it stop" comes up. I don't know and frankly I don't care. I just know that I would be perfectly fine with this being stopped by whoever can stop it. I guess we just have to agree to disagree on this one bud.
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I don't disagree with it being stopped because I do believe it's a symbolic gesture for the militant islamic world. I simply don't believe the government should be in the church stopping business.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
I don't disagree with it being stopped because I do believe it's a symbolic gesture for the militant islamic world. I simply don't believe the government should be in the church stopping business.
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I hear ya. I couldn't agree more with that statement. I wish I had an answer or a solution but I don't.
 
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chiggervol said:
It may not make us any different. Seriously. We can do nothing to change those idiots in their own countries but we can sure do something about it in our own. I see your point and I agree with you. Doing it would make us no better than them, but it this case I would be fine with that. Then the argument of "where does it stop" comes up. I don't know and frankly I don't care. I just know that I would be perfectly fine with this being stopped by whoever can stop it. I guess we just have to agree to disagree on this one bud.
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first they came for the Muslims....
 
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utvolpj said:
first they came for the Muslims....
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And there's the truth. The opposition to this is about blending all of Islam into what a dozen terrorists did.

Fifty crazies at Tea Parties around the country hold up obnoxious signs and if the left uses that to portray the entire Tea Party as racist idiots, the board is lit up wih posts about the illogic of that.

But there are Islamic terrorists and the very same people on the board are willing to assume that the entire Muslim world are either terrorists or terrorist sympathizers.
 
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lawgator1 said:
And there's the truth. The opposition to this is about blending all of Islam into what a dozen terrorists did.

Fifty crazies at Tea Parties around the country hold up obnoxious signs and if the left uses that to portray the entire Tea Party as racist idiots, the board is lit up wih posts about the illogic of that.

But there are Islamic terrorists and the very same people on the board are willing to assume that the entire Muslim world are either terrorists or terrorist sympathizers.
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This is not about just the dozen that flew the planes into the Trade Centers, it's also the millions of Muslims around the world hell bent on destroying Israel and America.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
them wanting their own laws has nothing to do with them changing our laws.

The Christian Coalition are a pack of raving lunatics, but I don't think anyone would tell them they can't build an office at the site in question.
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How many people have they murdered?
 
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lawgator1 said:
Millions?

Name 50 of them.

That's what I thought.
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How about all the ones that have blown themselves up killing US troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. Their "religion" teaches terrorism, so any true good Muslim that follows exactly what it teaches is either a terrorist or accepts terrorism as a good thing.
 
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volfanjustin said:
How about all the ones that have blown themselves up killing US troops in Irag and Afghanistan. Their "religion" teaches terrorism, so any true good Muslim that follows exactly what it teaches is either a terrorist or accepts terrorism as a good thing.
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Yes. Sadly enough, I've seen things of this nature first hand. They may not all be extremists, but none of them are pro America.
 
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