gs, neocon, sjt, and mur now have someone to vote for!

[DinkinFlicka]

I really like his last picture in here.

I'm sure "The Big Brother" is purely coincidental in wording.

 

[therealUT]

Can you name a Christian Protestant majority country with religious oppression?

I can name a Christian Protestant majority state with religious oppression: Tennessee (particularly, Murfreesboro).

France has legally enforced bars against certain Muslim practices (the burqa); France is a majority Christian nation.

Do I need to name more than two to defeat your premise?

Since you retort that France is Catholic and not Protestant, then I offer Uganda in its stead. Or, maybe Germany. Should I go on?

 

[VOLatile]

I enjoy GS's pics.
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The only reason I like that the web at work has a filter on it is because it blocks all of gs's photos.

 

[RespectTradition]

I can name a Christian Protestant majority state with religious oppression: Tennessee (particularly, Murfreesboro).

France has legally enforced bars against certain Muslim practices (the burqa); France is a majority Christian nation.

Do I need to name more than two to defeat your premise?

Since you retort that France is Catholic and not Protestant, then I offer Uganda in its stead. Or, maybe Germany. Should I go on?

Not sure you really understand what oppression means.

 

[VOLatile]

Not sure you really understand what oppression means.

Basically, pushing one's beliefs on the people around him or her.

Pretty clear in the cases that TRUT stated.
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[RespectTradition]

Basically, pushing one's beliefs on the people around him or her.

Pretty clear in the cases that TRUT stated.
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So, the government has said that a mosque can't be built in the Boro? And here I thought that a lot of people were exercising their rights to complain and petition the govt about it, but that ultimately, the govt was not preventing it. As it should not.

As he noted, France is not Protestant, so does not fit the premise. The others are just country names, not types of oppression.

 

[trevols81]

I enjoy GS's pics.
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Am I wrong for laughing at the Kingsford Quran?

The flies on Obama on the other hand are getting quite tacky and redundant however.

 

[Gramps]

Am I wrong for laughing at the Kingsford Quran?

The flies on Obama on the other hand are getting quite tacky and redundant however.

Part of them are on the bizzar side but he also post a few very good pics.
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[therealUT]

Not sure you really understand what oppression means.

Let's consult the dictionary:

oppress, v.
Pronunciation: Brit. /əˈprɛs/ , U.S. /əˈprɛs/
Inflections: Past tense and past participle oppressed, (chiefly arch.) opprest, oppresst.
Forms:
α. ME opperesse, ME opprese, ME–16 oppresse, ME–16 opresse, ME–17 oppres, ME–17 (18 nonstandard) opress, ME– oppress; also Sc. pre-17 oppres, pre-17 opprese, pre-17 oppresse, pre-17 opres; also past tense and past participle ME– opprest (now arch.), 15 oppreste (past participle); Sc. pre-17 oppres (past participle).

β. ME appres (in a late copy), ME appresse, ME apresse, 15 appress, 15 appreste (past participle); Sc. pre-17 apres; N.E.D. (1903 ) also records a form lME appress.

Etymology: < Anglo-Norman and Middle French, French oppresser to press or urge (c1200 in Old French as opressé , past participle; also Anglo-Norman and Middle French apresser , appresser (early 12th cent.)), to overwhelm, suppress (second half of the 13th cent.), to violate (15th cent. in an isolated attestation), to afflict, distress (c1485) < oppress- (in oppression oppression n.), after classical Latin opprimere (past participial stem oppress- ) to overwhelm, to suppress, conceal, to crush, press, smother, to keep in subjection, to take by surprise, in post-classical Latin also to rape, violate (Vulgate) < ob- ob- prefix + premere to press (see press v.1). Compare post-classical Latin oppressare (11th cent.; c1470 in a British source), frequentative of classical Latin opprimere , Italian oppressare (a1324; 1598 in Florio), Spanish †opressar (1420–50 to weigh down on, 16th cent. in fig. use), Old Occitan opressar .
With sense 8 compare classical Latin opprimere &#333;ra to shut the mouth, opprimere ocul&#333;s to close the eyes.
†1.

a. trans. To overcome, put down, or subdue; to suppress; to check or put an end to; (spec.) to overwhelm (a person) in a fight or battle. Obs.

c1380 Chaucer Second Nun's Tale 4 Ydelnesse&#8229;To eschuen and by hir contrarie hire oppresse&#8229;Wel oghte we to doon al oure entente.
?c1425 (1390) Chaucer Fortune 60 Why sholdestow my realtee oppresse [v.r. apresse]?
c1450 J. Capgrave Solace of Pilgrims (Bodl. 423) (1911) 48 Whom þei wold preferr þei schul regne in prosperite and whom þe wold oppresse þe schuld neuyr rise.
a1500 (1413) Pilgrimage of Soul (Egerton) iv. xxxvi. f. 81v, Strong and myghti&#8229;to oppresse briboures and extorcioneres.
1548 Hall's Vnion: Henry VI f. cxxx, The Englishemen&#8229;beyng oppressed with so greate a multitude, thei wer compelled to flie into the Abbaye.
1560 J. Daus tr. J. Sleidane Commentaries f. xljv, That the trueth should be oppressed, and the lyght of the Ghospell extinguisshed.
1603 R. Knolles Gen. Hist. Turkes 745 He&#8229;determined&#8229;to passe ouer&#8229;into Affricke,&#8229;in hope to oppresse that rebellion in the beginning.
1647 A. Ross Mystagogus Poet. (1675) viii. 167 He [sc. Hercules] oppressed Cacus.
1709 Tatler No. 32. &#8267;6 An Enormity which has been revived (after being long oppressed) and is called Punning.
1713 J. Addison Cato iv. iv, Opprest with multitudes, he greatly fell.
1829 J. Mackintosh Case Donna Maria in Wks. (1846) II. 412 England&#8229;who had the power of rapidly succouring Portugal, without the means of oppressing her independence.

b. intr. To be overwhelmed. Obs. rare—1.

?c1500 Mary Magdalene (Digby) 2111 Now I know well I xall not opprese.

c. trans. To conceal; to inhibit; to remove or erase from consciousness or currency. Obs.

a1538 T. Starkey Dial. Pole & Lupset (1989) 12 Man yf he be brought up in corrupt opynyon hath no perceyverance of thys natural law, but suffryth hyt by neclygence to be oppressyd as ther wer no such sedys plantyd in hym.
1539 C. Tunstall Serm. Palme Sondaye (1823) 20 His godly nature coulde not be hydde, nor kepte vnder, nor oppressed by any humilitie.
1560 J. Daus tr. J. Sleidane Commentaries f. cliij, This is alwayes theyr facion, that&#8229;they wyll in suche maner of assemblies, oppresse Christ and his veritie.
2. trans.

†a. To press forcefully on (a person or thing), esp. so as to cause damage or discomfort; to crush; to crowd; to smother. Obs.

a1382 Bible (Wycliffite, E.V.) (Bodl. 959) Job i. 19 Þe hous&#8229;fallinge oppressede [L. oppressit] þi fre childre & ben deade.
c1384 Bible (Wycliffite, E.V.) (Douce 369(2)) Mark iii. 9 The litil boot shulde serue hym for the cumpanye of peple, lest thei oppressiden [L. comprimerent] hym.
?1440 tr. Palladius De Re Rustica (Duke Humfrey) (1896) iii. 499 Yef euery kynde an order by hymselve, Lest myghty treen the smale adoun oppresse.
a1464 J. Capgrave Abbreuiacion of Cron. (Cambr. G. IV. 12) (1983) 209 He was slayn&#8229;oppressed betwix to fedir-beddis.
?a1500 in Archiv f. das Studium der Neueren Sprachen (1911) 126 367 Sathan with wynde and wedyr&#8229;the house downe dressid, And all the Children of Job therin wer oppressid.
1597 T. Beard Theatre Gods Judgem. ii. ii. 214 Brennus&#8229;when hee entred the city so loaded her with gold, that he couered and oppressed her therewith.
1641 R. Carpenter Experience ii. 162 The upper part of a Church fell&#8229;and&#8229;the women sitting in the body of the Church, many of them were oppressed.
1740 S. Richardson Pamela (1824) I. cii. 493 Fear to put on his hat, lest he should oppress his foretop.
1781 Gibbon Decline & Fall (1869) II. xxxv. 298 The wounded king was oppressed in the general disorder, and trampled under the feet of his own cavalry.

b. Of grief, sleep, hunger, etc.: to affect with a feeling of pressure, constraint, or distress; to afflict; to (mentally) overwhelm or weigh down (a person). Freq. with by or with. Also intr.

c1384 Bible (Wycliffite, E.V.) (Douce 369(2)) (1850) Deeds x. 38 Jhesu of Nazareth&#8229;thorw passide in&#8229;heelinge alle men oppressid [L. oppressos] of the deuyl.
a1425 (1385) Chaucer Troilus & Criseyde (1987) iii. 1089 Every spirit his vigour in knette, So they astoned or oppressed were.
c1425 Lydgate Troyyes Bk. (Augustus A.iv) ii. 2462 A sodeyn slep gan me&#8229;oppresse.
1477 Caxton tr. R. Le Fèvre Hist. Jason (1913) 46 Hit semeth that he hath his herte oppressid with aspre dueil and sorowe.
a1533 Ld. Berners tr. Bk. Duke Huon of Burdeux (1882–7) xxii. 65 Hunger opressyd hym more than it dyde to them of gretter age.
1582 Bible (Rheims) Acts xx. 9 A certaine yong man&#8229;was oppressed with heauy sleepe.
1594 T. Nashe Terrors of Night in Wks. (Grosart) III. 233 Such is our braine oppressed with Melancholly, as is a clocke tyed downe with two heauie weights or plummets.
1667 Milton Paradise Lost vii. 129 Knowledge is as food, and needs no less Her Temperance over Appetite,&#8229;Oppresses else with Surfet.
1697 Dryden Alexander's Feast v. 5 With Love and Wine at once oppress'd.
1719 D. Defoe Life Robinson Crusoe 105 These Reflections oppress'd me for the second or third Day of my Distemper.
1783 G. Crabbe Village i. 15 Thus groan the old, till by disease opprest, They taste a final woe.
a1822 Shelley Witch of Atlas lxix, in Posthumous Poems (1824) 52 The grave Of such, when death oppressed the weary soul, Was as a green and over arching bower.
1851 N. Hawthorne House of Seven Gables vii. 111 As if her bosom were oppressed with tenderness, of which she must needs pour out a little, in order to gain breathing-room.
1911 A. F. Pollard Hist. Eng. viii. 143 He set out&#8229;, leaving Mary, oppressed with grief, in the especial charge of Pole.
1939 R. A. Knox Let Dons Delight vi. 161 For all that, sheer multitudinosity has power to oppress the mind.
1989 P. Mailloux Hesitation before Birth vii. 110 He is oppressed by his work, which leaves him too tired to do anything else.
2000 J. Griffiths Grip on Thin Air 25 By night, the over-Familiarity of the room oppresses.
3.

a. trans. To keep (a person or group of people, esp. a minority or other subordinate group) in subjection and hardship by the unjust exercise of authority, power, or strength; to exploit; to tyrannize over.

a1382 Bible (Wycliffite, E.V.) (Bodl. 959) (1961) Deut. xxi. 14 Þou shalt leue here fre, ne sulle þou maist by money, ne oppresse [L. opprimere] by power.
c1425 Treat. Ten Commandments in Stud. Philol. (1910) 6 30 Þoo þat oppresit his tenantes&#8229;or þat dooth ony extorsions&#8229;kepe not þis commaundement.
c1450 W. Lichefeld Complaint of God (Lamb. 853) 333 in F. J. Furnivall Polit., Relig., & Love Poems (1903) 213 Þe poore peple þou doist oppresse Wiþ sleitis and wilis.
c1540 J. Bellenden tr. H. Boece Hyst. & Cron. Scotl. (1821) II. 261 To appele the thevis quhilkis opprest thame maist.
1620 Horæ Subsecivæ 309 Euery great man&#8229;seuerally oppresseth the common people.
1673 in H. Paton Rep. Laing MSS (1914) I. 391 How his majestie&#8229;has been abused & his subjects opressed.
1737 Pope Epist. of Horace i. i. 182 That Man divine whom Wisdom calls her own,&#8229;Rich ev'n when plunder'd, honour'd while oppress'd.
1785 T. Jefferson Notes Virginia xiii. 229 One who entered into this contest&#8229;so that the corrupt will of no one man might in future oppress him.
1844 C. Thirlwall Hist. Greece VIII. lxii. 147 The powerful citizens oppressed the weak.
1888 S. Moore tr. Marx & Engels Manifesto Communist Party ii. 22 Political power&#8229;is merely the organised power of one class for oppressing another.
1958 I. Berlin Two Concepts Liberty iv. 28 A rule does not oppress me or enslave me if I impose it on myself consciously, or accept it freely.
1988 D. Lodge Nice Work iv. iii. 174, I did tell him I thought he was oppressing his wife.
2000 Independent 18 Jan. ii. 2/7 Nasser of Egypt was a secular ruler, as is Gaddafi of Libya, who continues violently to oppress Islamists.

b. intr. To govern harshly; to tyrannize; to engage in oppression. rare.

1611 Bible (A.V.) Psalms x. 18 To judge the fatherless & the oppressed, that the man of the earth may no more oppress.

a1911 D. G. Phillips Susan Lenox (1917) (unexpurgated ed.) II. vii. 174 The police who oppressed in petty ways wherever they dared.

†4. trans. To rape, violate. Obs.

a1382 Bible (Wycliffite, E.V.) (Bodl. 959) 2 Kings xiii. 14 He wolde not assenten to þe preieris of hir, but more miy&#541;ti by strengþis oppressede [L. oppressit] hir.
a1425 Dialogue Reason & Adversity (Cambr.) (1968) 3 Hadde Thamar, Dauid is dowter, ben a fou&#541;l, leyth damesele, behap Amoun here broþur hadde here not oppressed.
?a1475 (1425) tr. R. Higden Polychron. (Harl.) (1874) V. 39 The abbote&#8229;was accusede&#8229;that he hade oppressede that woman.
1578 J. Rolland Seuin Seages (1932) 3947 Be violence my Quene he wald opprest.
1613 J. Hayward Lives III Normans (Malh.) III. 157 If a man oppressed any woman, he was deprived of his privy parts.
†5. trans.

a. To come upon unexpectedly; to take by surprise. Obs.

a1382 Bible (Wycliffite, E.V.) (Douce 369(1)) (1850) Prov. xx. 13 Wile thou not looue slep, lest thee nedynesse opresse [L. opprimat].
a1555 N. Ridley Wks. (1841) 145 Woe be unto us, if he can oppress us at unawares.
1603 R. Knolles Gen. Hist. Turkes 673 Hoping&#8229;to steale into the campe vndiscouered, and there so to oppresse Solyman sleeping in his tent.

b. To attack, make war against; to persecute. Occas. of a disaster or misfortune: to afflict. Obs.
In some cases difficult to distinguish from sense 3a.

a1425 (1382) Bible (Wycliffite, E.V.) Judges (Corpus Oxf.) x. 12 Whether not the Egipciens, and Amorreis,&#8229;and Amalech, and Chanaan oppressiden [L. oppresserunt] &#541;ou?
c1425 Lydgate Troyyes Bk. (Augustus A.iv) ii. 8227 In her Ire&#8229;Cruelly þei her foon oppresse.
a1475 J. Fortescue Governance of Eng. (Laud) (1885) 115 The Scottes and the Pyctes&#8229;bete and oppressid this lande.
a1500 (1430) Lydgate tr. G. Deguileville Pilgrimage Life Man (Stowe) 16108 Thamyral&#8229;ys Sathan&#8229;Foo to Adam and hys Lynage, For topresse hem with hys Raage.
1555 R. Eden tr. Peter Martyr of Angleria Decades of Newe Worlde i. iv. f. 20v, Fewe of the inhabitantes&#8229;kepte theyr promyse, bycause they were sorer oppressed with famine then any of the other.
1560 J. Daus tr. J. Sleidane Commentaries f. xxxvijv, The fury of the Turkes, & the Heresie of Luther oppresse vs both at once.
1611 Bible (A.V.) Num. x. 9 If ye go to war in your land against the enemy that oppresseth you, then ye shall blow an alarm with the trumpets.
1648 S. Danforth Almanack 5 Those Birds of prey, who somtime have opprest And stain'd the Country with their filthy nest, Justice abhors.

†6. trans. To deprive (a person) of or from something by force. Obs.

c1395 Chaucer Franklin's Tale 1385 She&#8229;Chees rather for to dye than assente To been oppressed of hir maydenhede.
?a1439 Lydgate tr. Fall of Princes (Bodl. 263) iii. 1382 Sum man may disherite & oppresse A poore man from his possessioun.

†7. trans. To press or urge (a person). Also refl.: to force or exert oneself. Obs.

1523 Ld. Berners tr. J. Froissart Cronycles I. cxxxv. 162 If I wolde sore oppresse you I am sure ye wolde gladly pay x. thousand crownes.
c1540 (1400) Gest Historiale Destr. Troy 3390, I shall appres me with pyne your prayer to here.
c1540 (1400) Gest Historiale Destr. Troy 9450 Oppresse the with payn, & present hym dethe.

†8. trans. To close, to shut up. Obs.

1583 W. Cecil Execution of Iustice sig. Eiv, Persons that haue&#8229;stopped their eares against the sounde of Justice, and oppressed their heartes against the force of reason.
9. trans. Heraldry. = debruise v. 2. Cf. oppressed adj. 2. rare—0.

1869 J. E. Cussans Handbk. Heraldry vi. 81 When an Ordinary surmounts, or is placed over, a Lion or other animal, it is said to be Debruised, or Oppressed, by that Ordinary.
1992 D. Williamson Debrett's Guide to Heraldry & Regalia 123/1 Debruised (oppressed), descriptive of any charge over which an ordinary or sub-ordinary is placed.

Oxford English Dictionary

I am quite positive that the Muslims in Murfreesboro are being oppressed, by definition.

 

[therealUT]

The others are just country names, not types of oppression.

Feel free to consult the anti-Turk legislation in Germany and the anti-Islam statements made by their Chancellor. Also, feel free to consult the anti-Muslim legislation and actions in Uganda.

 

[gsvol]

We can only assume that volatile is playing on the
internet while being paid by his employer.

I imagine that wouldn't go over so well with his
employer if he knew.

We can only hope the employer will find out and
thus we won't be bothered with volatile's inane bon
mots in the future.

Am I wrong for laughing at the Kingsford Quran?

The flies on Obama on the other hand are getting quite tacky and redundant however.

Part of them are on the bizzar side but he also post a few very good pics.
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Just for you.

I lable it 'tramps and thieves.'

BHO and the former democrat governor of NJ, Corzinne,
who is accused of ripping off $1.5b of invester's monies
to try to cover their tracks.

Feel free to consult the anti-Turk legislation in Germany and the anti-Islam statements made by their Chancellor. Also, feel free to consult the anti-Muslim legislation and actions in Uganda.

Islam has been a terrible scourge upon mankind for
fifteen hundred years now, it isn't easy to take the
side of the moslems as you do.

 

[VOLatile]

We can only assume that volatile is playing on the
internet while being paid by his employer.

I imagine that wouldn't go over so well with his
employer if he knew.

We can only hope the employer will find out and
thus we won't be bothered with volatile's inane bon
mots in the future.

My boss sits next to me watching Netflix all day. I'm not worried.
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[sjt18]

I can name a Christian Protestant majority state with religious oppression: Tennessee (particularly, Murfreesboro).

They have proposed to deny a building permit. They have NOT to my knowledge said they cannot build elsewhere or that anyone who converts from Christianity to Islam will be killed... or that it is legit for Christians to rape then marry their 12 year old daughters making them "Christian" for life... nor have they made Muslims officially second class in all facets of social and legal activities.

You also do not have widespread instances in Muslim countries of large churches using "privacy and religious freedom rights" to shield radical recruiting efforts. While we would both argue that MOST mosques are not used that way in America... enough are for it to be a concern.

I tend to think M'boro needs to have a VERY good zoning or security reason for denying the permit. But what they are doing comes nowhere close to the threshold of oppression non-Muslims face in majority Muslim countries. That oppression is both official and unofficial... and very well documented.

France has legally enforced bars against certain Muslim practices (the burqa); France is a majority Christian nation.

I specifically said Protestant majority for a reason. The Catholic church has dogmas and traditions considered authoritative that departed from a strict and literal adherence to the NT long ago. One very specific area was the use of force to impose Catholicism on newly discovered peoples AND dissenting Christians.

That said, the French Revolution was VERY secular. Religious leaders were blamed along with the monarchy and suffered similar fates.

Finally, France is a majority secular country, not Christian. Some people are Catholic by birth but have no attachment now.

USATODAY.com - Religion takes a back seat in Western Europe

Do I need to name more than two to defeat your premise?

No. Just one.

Since you retort that France is Catholic and not Protestant, then I offer Uganda in its stead. Or, maybe Germany. Should I go on?

This "should" also help you get past the shallow argument you are attending. University of Michigan News Service | Study identifies worldwide rates of religiosity, church attendance

Regular church attendance in Germany is around 13% according to another study.

Moreover, neither Germany nor Uganda have protestant majorities. Uganda's largest religious group is Catholics.


And bottom line... are you REALLY comparing the relatively modest restrictions imposed for public safety in western European secular states to the legal execution of people who convert from Islam? Is that really the side of the fence you want to be on?

 

[therealUT]

Does one have to attend church to be regarded as a Protestant Christian?
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[sjt18]

Does one have to attend church to be regarded as a Protestant Christian?
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No... and yes... very, very, very few exceptions those who actually practice and believe its principles will attend church. However if you are talking the strictly biblical definition of "Christian"... it is a description of someone's beliefs and lifestyle... not a club you join.

If I went to a single meeting of Shriners and signed up... then never went back, never associated with them, never contributed time or money... for the rest of my life... would I be a real Shriner? Would my "membership" impact society according to any of the principles or initiatives of the group by anything other than pure incidence?

 

[RespectTradition]

Let's consult the dictionary:


I am quite positive that the Muslims in Murfreesboro are being oppressed, by definition.

Let's use a definition not cluttered with irrelevancies:

Oppression - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Oppression is the exercise of authority or power in a burdensome, cruel, or unjust manner.[1] It can also be defined as an act or instance of oppressing, the state of being oppressed, and the feeling of being heavily burdened, mentally or physically, by troubles, adverse conditions, and anxiety.

Is anything being done in Murfreesboro burdensome, cruel or unjust? Well, since nothing has been determined yet, other than the burdensome, cruel or unjust nature of zoning and permits to anyone, then no. Maybe, if these people are forced to not build, then it could be asserted that they were oppressed. Until that happens though, then that assertion is invalid. Do some people want to treat them unjustly? Yes. Does that mean the state of Tennessee wants to? No.

 

[therealUT]

Let's use a definition not cluttered with irrelevancies:

Oppression - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Is anything being done in Murfreesboro burdensome, cruel or unjust? Well, since nothing has been determined yet, other than the burdensome, cruel or unjust nature of zoning and permits to anyone, then no. Maybe, if these people are forced to not build, then it could be asserted that they were oppressed. Until that happens though, then that assertion is invalid. Do some people want to treat them unjustly? Yes. Does that mean the state of Tennessee wants to? No.

You are giving primacy to Wikipedia over the Oxford English Dictionary regarding the use of words in the English language?

I will gladly refrain from the argument, now.

 

[VOLatile]

Petitioning to stop the construction of a mosque based on religious beliefs is unjust. The citizens of Murfreesboro are the oppressors in this instance.

 

[NEO]

Isn't sharia law the physical manifestion of oppression???

 

[NEO]

Petitioning to stop the construction of a mosque based on religious beliefs is unjust. The citizens of Murfreesboro are the oppressors in this instance.

but that is their right.

if you oppose them then you are now oppressing their rights.

watch your step volatile you're walking a dangerous line.

 

[therealUT]

Isn't sharia law the physical manifestion of oppression???

Any external law is, by definition, oppression as long as said law is not accepted and voluntarily submitted to by those subjected to the law.

but that is their right.

if you oppose them then you are now oppressing their rights.

watch your step volatile you're walking a dangerous line.

What are the fundamental (inalienable) rights that our nation was founded upon? Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness (happiness defined as the accumulation of and use of property).

Therefore, who owns the deed to the property? The owner technically has an inalienable right to use the property in whatever manner he/she pleases as long as such use does not violate the inalienable rights of others.

Why was their such an outrage in America when a Muslim wanted to buy the land that the WTC sat on and use it to build a Mosque? Why is that being held up?

To claim that these are not cases of religious oppression is either to deny the authoritative definitions, from the OED, of the term "oppression" or to be willfully ignorant.

 

[KiffinKiller]

now that's dangerous thinking. you best stick to your work.

 

[RespectTradition]

You are giving primacy to Wikipedia over the Oxford English Dictionary regarding the use of words in the English language?

I will gladly refrain from the argument, now.

You prefer this one:

Merriam-Webster Legal Dictionary
Main Entry: op·pres·sionPronunciation: &-'pre-sh&nFunction: noun : an unjust or excessive exercise of power: as a : unlawful, wrongful, or corrupt exercise of authority by a public official acting under color of authority that causes a person harm b : dishonest, unfair, wrongful, or burdensome conduct by corporate directors or majority shareholders that entitles minority shareholders to compel involuntary dissolution of the corporation c : inequality of bargaining power resulting in one party's lack of ability to negotiate or exercise meaningful choice

It is one thing to be a source snob, it is quite another when there is nothing incorrect or inaccurate in the citation. The Oxford has a lot of interesting, but totally irrelevant information in it. I am glad you posted it all, though. The etymology gave profound insights into our discussion. Please forgive me for preferring precision and brevity.

 

[therealUT]

You prefer this one:

It is one thing to be a source snob, it is quite another when there is nothing incorrect or inaccurate in the citation. The Oxford has a lot of interesting, but totally irrelevant information in it. I am glad you posted it all, though. The etymology gave profound insights into our discussion. Please forgive me for preferring precision and brevity.

I prefer the OED and I always will; that said, your definition from the MWLD does not in any way support your position that government officials in Murfreesboro, TN are not oppressing Muslims there.

You were not "preferring precision and brevity"; you were selecting a source that simply supported your viewpoint over a source that is considered to be the most authoritative source on the English Language by the vast majority of academics in both the US and the UK.

 

[RespectTradition]

I prefer the OED and I always will; that said, your definition from the MWLD does not in any way support your position that government officials in Murfreesboro, TN are not oppressing Muslims there.

You were not "preferring precision and brevity"; you were selecting a source that simply supported your viewpoint over a source that is considered to be the most authoritative source on the English Language by the vast majority of academics in both the US and the UK.

LOL Really? Please enlighten me. What oppression is occurring for religious reasons that our government has allowed? Isn't it more accurate to say that there is attempted oppression, but that ultimately the system appears to be working and will lead to them building what they want? What in the definition I posted earlier would allow for religious oppression? How exactly, not just baseless assertions, but rather specifically, does it allow for oppression? Can you explain to me how the vast majority of the Holy Oxford was relevant?