Guatemala to Legalize Drugs?

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RespectTradition said:
Freedom is important to me. I understand that for a lot of people it is a platitude and not something that they actually support. I sometimes try to get people out of their complacency.

I don't know you. However, I think you are a cop. If so, then you probably support law over freedom. Most, not all, cops fall into that category.

We all get caught in our own paradigm. I get caught into advocating freedom. Others, into whatever their point of view is.

Freedom demands our utomost effort. Sometimes I can come across as too aggressive about it. I think it is worth it.

I don't advocate lawlessness. I advocate a minimum of law. There is a minimum required to assure society can function. Anything beyond that is an inexcusable infringment of freedom.
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Cool. Other than drug laws what laws do YOU propose we get rid of?
 
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MystifyingVol said:
17th amendment, 16th amendment, patriot act, ndaa, Obamacare, any law limiting gun ownership and carry rights for law abiding citizens.
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I agree with this except for the 17th ammendment. The other laws are clear acts of an over reaching government.
 
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The Ron Mexico said:
I agree with this except for the 17th ammendment. The other laws are clear acts of an over reaching government.
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Why not the 17th? The original intent of the senate was to be the State's representative at the Federal level, now it's a popularity contest... 2 for each state, their constituency is too broad as it is for them to be effective, who do they really answer to?

I do understand the argument that it can be abused if the States are the ones sending them up (favoritism).
 
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MystifyingVol said:
Why not the 17th? The original intent of the senate was to be the State's representative at the Federal level, now it's a popularity contest... 2 for each state, their constituency is too broad as it is for them to be effective, who do they really answer to?

I do understand the argument that it can be abused if the State is the ones sending them up (favoritism).
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It'd be so much easier to defeat incumbents.
 
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The Ron Mexico said:
This is essentially my argument for the 17th amendment. We have enough corruption and favoritism in government as it is.
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The 17th amendment broke federalism completely.

The senators used to be beholden to the state legislatures. This guaranteed a state voice at the the federal level. Congress could not pass all the laws abridging state sovereignty and containing state coercion if the senate was respondent to the states as it should be.

The original view of the federal government was roughly like this:
  • President represented the views of the majority of americans
  • Vice-president represented the views of the rest
  • House represented the views of the majorities in localities
  • Senate represented the views of the States
  • Supreme Court represented the views of the minority

Under this system, every entity involved theoretically had a voice for them at the federal level.
 
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I still maintain my opinion on the 17th amendment, however, if it were overturned, I wouldn't be terribly upset.
 
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tim said:
Believing they have the right to live among everyone and enjoy the things taxes pay for without paying their fair share. Following basic laws of the land that allow us to have a semblance of order.
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OK, maybe your definition of sovereignty is different than mine. You seem to be describing a leech on society.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
OK, maybe your definition of sovereignty is different than mine. You seem to be describing a leech on society.
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No its probably the same. "Sovereign" is a term loosely used (slang) for the groups of people who have elected to do the things I described and are called "sovereign citizens" as a way of identifying them.
 
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tim said:
No its probably the same. "Sovereign" is a term loosely used (slang) for the groups of people who have elected to do the things I described and are called "sovereign citizens" as a way of identifying them.
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OK, now I'm really confused. I went back and read thru some of the previous posts by RT and can't find anything that leads me to believe he's one of the guys you are talking about. Is there a some handout or social service that he's using that he doesn't want to pay for that I missed in this thread?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
OK, now I'm really confused. I went back and read thru some of the previous posts by RT and can't find anything that leads me to believe he's one of the guys you are talking about. Is there a some handout or social service that he's using that he doesn't want to pay for that I missed in this thread?
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Do you find yourself confused very often?
 
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trevols81 said:
Because the country is doing just fine with the status quo...
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Abosolutely not. Between the two bad choices I simply hold my nose and pick prohibition. I firmly believe the devil we know is better than the devil we don't know. And, the best example to point to (of legalization) is prescriction meds and that has failed as well. We have more addicts. To say legalization will equal less addicts and crime is conjecture.
 
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distrovol said:
Abosolutely not. Between the two bad choices I simply hold my nose and pick prohibition. I firmly believe the devil we know is better than the devil we don't know. And, the best example to point to (of legalization) is prescriction meds and that has failed as well. We have more addicts. To say prohibition will equal less addicts and crime is conjecture.
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FYP.

Actually, from a crime perspective, there is a lot more evidence/support for legalization than prohibition. There is no support for the idea that prohibition leads to less crime, and it's counter-intuitive considering prohibition is inventing new crimes for people to commit.
 
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