Gun control debate (merged)

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LouderVol said:
www.nbcwashington.com

DC police dealt thousands of guns; ATF demands answers after concerning number found at crime scenes

For at least seven months in 2020 and 2021, the D.C. area’s largest police department was the only legal gun dealer in the nation’s capital. It was the only place D.C. residents could legally get a handgun. That much was reported at the time, but now the News4 I-Team has the federal documents...
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LouderVol said:
so once again trusting the government to keep us safe is foolhardy. adding new laws and more government doesn't help the process at all
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No way….
 
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85SugarVol said:
No way….
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This is rich:

When asked if he agreed with D.C. police getting into the gun business, “Heck, no,” Poulin told the I-Team, explaining, “My biggest point there for a while was if your firearms branch screws up, you're going to inspect and enforce your own firearms branch?”

Looking back, Poulin said he was not surprised to see D.C. police on the list of dealers with guns that ended up at crime scenes.

“Does not surprise me one bit,” he said. “I walked in there, and it was, it was archaic. The processes, the systems they were using, to manage that process. It was archaic. I offered advice and offered little suggestions.”

D.C. police did not respond to that concern, either
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Perfect description of D.C. on multiple levels.
 
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LouderVol said:
www.nbcwashington.com

DC police dealt thousands of guns; ATF demands answers after concerning number found at crime scenes

For at least seven months in 2020 and 2021, the D.C. area’s largest police department was the only legal gun dealer in the nation’s capital. It was the only place D.C. residents could legally get a handgun. That much was reported at the time, but now the News4 I-Team has the federal documents...
www.nbcwashington.com www.nbcwashington.com

So apparently in DC for a while there were no FFLs, at all. you had to go to Virginia or Maryland to order the gun, and have it shipped to the DC police. the DC police ran the background checks before turning the gun owner. typical process just through the police.

One would figure that with it running through the police, especially one as anti-gun as DC, this would cut down on crime.

well it turns out the DC police were a problematic FFL according to the ATF and are being investigated. To not spoil the poll above, I will just say the DC police "time to crime", the time from the turnover of a gun by the police to an owner until that gun is used in a crime, is almost 50% below the problem threshold. and about 6x shorter than the typical FFL.

so once again trusting the government to keep us safe is foolhardy. adding new laws and more government doesn't help the process at all.
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Just so we don’t ever forget ..
 

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CagleMtnVol said:
Headlines and the pearl clutching like this is why liberals and blue states will never understand.

A 1,000 rounds that's a normal .22 purchase at Walmart.

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1K rounds divided by 10 guns (which itself isn't anything special) is 100 rnds apiece. Depending on type that's anywhere from "yawn" to "you only had 100 rounds of that?".

Now the sawed off shotgun and suppressors (I'm assuming they weren't licensed) would be a bigger deal.
 
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So now a state judge can decide what rights a person has?

"She told us, ‘Do not bring the Second Amendment into this courtroom. It doesn’t exist here. So you can’t argue Second Amendment. This is New York.'"

some of these laws are absolutely ridiculous, and that is set in the context of an already ridiculous anti-2A culture.

"The jury found Taylor guilty of second-degree criminal possession of a loaded weapon, four counts of third-degree criminal possession of a weapon, five counts of criminal possession of a firearm, second-degree criminal possession of five or more firearms, unlawful possession of pistol ammunition, violation of certificate of registration, prohibition on unfinished frames or receivers. Two lesser charges, including third-degree criminal possession of three or more firearms and third-degree possession of a weapon, were not voted on."

goes to show that we are well past the Luther's of the world saying there is no intent to limit how many guns a person can own. Everything I have seen of this case is that the guns were kept in his residence behind lock and key. He wasn't trying to sell any, doesn't even sound like he was really using any of them. Simple possession has been found illegal in New York.
 
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This judge is outrageous.

She told us, ‘Do not bring the Second Amendment into this courtroom. It doesn’t exist here. So you can’t argue Second Amendment. This is New York.'
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Also was apparently quite hostile to the idea of jury nullification and (allegedly) implied that the jurors they would be punished.

Judge Darkeh attempted to shut this argument down and led the jury to believe they would face consequences if they did not vote to convict Taylor
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Judge Abena Darkeh, NYC Criminal Court (Deblasio appointee)

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LouderVol said:
So now a state judge can decide what rights a person has?

"She told us, ‘Do not bring the Second Amendment into this courtroom. It doesn’t exist here. So you can’t argue Second Amendment. This is New York.'"

some of these laws are absolutely ridiculous, and that is set in the context of an already ridiculous anti-2A culture.

"The jury found Taylor guilty of second-degree criminal possession of a loaded weapon, four counts of third-degree criminal possession of a weapon, five counts of criminal possession of a firearm, second-degree criminal possession of five or more firearms, unlawful possession of pistol ammunition, violation of certificate of registration, prohibition on unfinished frames or receivers. Two lesser charges, including third-degree criminal possession of three or more firearms and third-degree possession of a weapon, were not voted on."

goes to show that we are well past the Luther's of the world saying there is no intent to limit how many guns a person can own. Everything I have seen of this case is that the guns were kept in his residence behind lock and key. He wasn't trying to sell any, doesn't even sound like he was really using any of them. Simple possession has been found illegal in New York.
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*Second Degree criminal possession of 5 or more firearms?

Wut?

Apparently the BoR stops at the NYC line according to judge Abena Darkeh
 
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85SugarVol said:
*Second Degree criminal possession of 5 or more firearms?

Wut?

Apparently the BoR stops at the NYC line according to judge Abena Darkeh
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www.nraila.org

New York State Gun Laws and Regulations Explained | NRA-ILA

Find state gun laws including conceal carry, open carry, licensing, and more.
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sounds like you have to have a license to possess a handgun in new york state. and a license to own anything in new york city, as well as having a justified reason to even carry at all. concealed, or otherwise; CCP or otherwise.

the big thing for me is you won't ever hear those claiming to be on the "rational or reasonable" side of things ever step in to fight the laws or rulings that go far beyond rational or reasonable. Or the "I support the second ammendment buttt" guys either, they just shrug and take it.
 
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LouderVol said:
www.nraila.org

New York State Gun Laws and Regulations Explained | NRA-ILA

Find state gun laws including conceal carry, open carry, licensing, and more.
www.nraila.org www.nraila.org

sounds like you have to have a license to possess a handgun in new york state. and a license to own anything in new york city, as well as having a justified reason to even carry at all. concealed, or otherwise; CCP or otherwise.

the big thing for me is you won't ever hear those claiming to be on the "rational or reasonable" side of things ever step in to fight the laws or rulings that go far beyond rational or reasonable. Or the "I support the second ammendment buttt" guys either, they just shrug and take it.
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I believe you are correct about all the licensing but I believe Bruen took out their justification requirement for a carry permit.
 
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hndog609 said:
I believe you are correct about all the licensing but I believe Bruen took out their justification requirement for a carry permit.
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for carry, but it sounds like this judge is going well beyond carry, and simple possession as well. It wasn't even alleged that this guy was going to sell, a threat to sell, or had any intent to sell. It seems like they are saying this guy has no right to just want to own a gun.
 
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LouderVol said:
for carry, but it sounds like this judge is going well beyond carry, and simple possession as well. It wasn't even alleged that this guy was going to sell, a threat to sell, or had any intent to sell. It seems like they are saying this guy has no right to just want to own a gun.
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Oh no I was just addressing what you said about carrying, not all the rest of the licensing. If we're talking NYC all firearms must be registered. If his weren't that's trouble. They (along with ammunition) must also be licensed. So without correct licensing/registration there's going to be violations. And obviously the NFA items cited would require licensing even beyond State or City regulations.
 
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LouderVol said:
for carry, but it sounds like this judge is going well beyond carry, and simple possession as well. It wasn't even alleged that this guy was going to sell, a threat to sell, or had any intent to sell. It seems like they are saying this guy has no right to just want to own a gun.
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Oh this Judge, this Prosecution, all of it - Outrageous.

She & the Prosecutors both probably feel like they’ve done something to combat “gun culture” or even more laughable- “gun crime”

But this sounds like the kinda case that could make its way to SCOTUS - and even further solidify Gun Rights.

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85SugarVol said:
Oh this Judge, this Prosecution, all of it - Outrageous.

She & the Prosecutors both probably feel like they’ve done something to combat “gun culture” or even more laughable- “gun crime”

But this sounds like the kinda case that could make its way to SCOTUS - and even further solidify Gun Rights.

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I would think if any of what the defense lawyers claims the judge said is true, and can be proven; the appeals have a great chance.
 
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