Gun control debate (merged)

[85SugarVol]

another one, not SC though:
Judge blocks ATF rule on expanded firearms background checks in 4 states.
"“This rule went beyond the authority granted to the agency by Congress and represented a flagrant violation of the Second Amendment,” a news release from Paxton’s office said. "

Good.

 

[hndog609]

another one, not SC though:
Judge blocks ATF rule on expanded firearms background checks in 4 states.
"“This rule went beyond the authority granted to the agency by Congress and represented a flagrant violation of the Second Amendment,” a news release from Paxton’s office said. "

This country was never supposed to have a bowl of unelected Alpha-Bits agencies wielding the kind of power they do.

 

[LouderVol]

This country was never supposed to have a bowl of unelected Alpha-Bits agencies wielding the kind of power they do.

agreed. I do think this country would run a LOT better if the main guys in each of three branches were doing their jobs. and only their jobs.

 

[marcusluvsvols]

Boom! 2a wins the day. Bump stocks are LEGAL and the ATF overstepped their authority.

 

[GroverCleveland]

Boom! 2a wins the day. Bump stocks are LEGAL and the ATF overstepped their authority.

Don't know if this is really 2A as much as administrative law??? ATF overstepped their legislative bounds. Glad to see that. Too many 3-letter agencies do that.

 

[hndog609]

Don't know if this is really 2A as much as administrative law??? ATF overstepped their legislative bounds. Glad to see that. Too many 3-letter agencies do that.

It's this ^. A bump stock equipped rifle does not definitionally meet the criteria of being a "machine gun" and the ATF doesn't have the authority to just say "Well, close enough." and call it good. Now that doesn't mean they couldn't go back and amend the current definition to include something like "and to include any other modification/addition, irrespective of the actual fire control mechanism, that by it's design is intended to encourage a sequence of firing functionally analogous to a "machine gun"'. This would put a bump stock under the same umbrella as an "auto sear".

 

[turbovol]

We wouldn't want to do anything to inconvenience mass murderers in America....I believe the Las Vegas shooter---you remember that
"responsible gun owner" who killed, what, 70 people and injured more than 200, used bump stocks.

 

[hndog609]

We wouldn't want to do anything to inconvenience mass murderers in America....I believe the Las Vegas shooter---you remember that
"responsible gun owner" who killed, what, 70 people and injured more than 200, used bump stocks.

Do you have a minimum lead/mercury intake per day to maintain your level of stupid? If you think firearms are less regulated than female plumbing then whatever amount of abuse you receive for that take will surely be less than you deserve.

 

[85SugarVol]

Boom! 2a wins the day. Bump stocks are LEGAL and the ATF overstepped their authority.

Any day the ATF loses, is a day that America wins.

 

[85SugarVol]

We wouldn't want to do anything to inconvenience mass murderers in America....I believe the Las Vegas shooter---you remember that
"responsible gun owner" who killed, what, 70 people and injured more than 200, used bump stocks.

That weapon of war is not nearly as frightening as it could have been.

Where is the high-capacity banana clip?
Where is the heat-seeking death dot?
Where is multi-use tactical strap?

 

[McDad]

We wouldn't want to do anything to inconvenience mass murderers in America....I believe the Las Vegas shooter---you remember that
"responsible gun owner" who killed, what, 70 people and injured more than 200, used bump stocks.

I bet we could almost eliminate abortive procedures with a BGC and 3 day waiting period prior to intercourse.

 

[volfanhill]

I bet we could almost eliminate abortive procedures with a BGC and 3 day waiting period prior to intercourse.

Only a 3 day waiting period? Sign me up

 

[StarRaider]

It's this ^. A bump stock equipped rifle does not definitionally meet the criteria of being a "machine gun" and the ATF doesn't have the authority to just say "Well, close enough." and call it good. Now that doesn't mean they couldn't go back and amend the current definition to include something like "and to include any other modification/addition, irrespective of the actual fire control mechanism, that by it's design is intended to encourage a sequence of firing functionally analogous to a "machine gun"'. This would put a bump stock under the same umbrella as an "auto sear".

"They" need to be elected............. not career b'crat activists.

 

[hndog609]

"They" need to be elected............. not career b'crat activists.

By "amend the current definition" I mean the one set forth by congress in actual law. The ATF can pound sand making up their own definitions of anything.

 

[kiddiedoc]

We wouldn't want to do anything to inconvenience mass murderers in America....I believe the Las Vegas shooter---you remember that
"responsible gun owner" who killed, what, 70 people and injured more than 200, used bump stocks.

Obviously, the above is not regulated from posting on the internet.

 

[Pepe_Silvia]

Federal Courts Shoot Down Rules Regulating Private Firearm Sales, Pistol Braces

One rule that placed licensing requirements on private firearm sales, and another that redefined firearms with pistol braces as short-barrel rifles, received legal blows from federal courts.

thetexan.news

 

[volfanhill]

We wouldn't want to do anything to inconvenience mass murderers in America....I believe the Las Vegas shooter---you remember that
"responsible gun owner" who killed, what, 70 people and injured more than 200, used bump stocks.

There's a method outlined to where you can change both of those. Good luck

 

[C-south]

We wouldn't want to do anything to inconvenience mass murderers in America....I believe the Las Vegas shooter---you remember that
"responsible gun owner" who killed, what, 70 people and injured more than 200, used bump stocks.

Which amendment covers cooters?

 

[YankeeVol]

 

[turbovol]

Calling out the conservative political hacks posing as SCOTUS justices---changing their past opinions in this gun case.

 

[McDad]

Calling out the conservative political hacks posing as SCOTUS justices---changing their past opinions in this gun case.

She's the least scholarly of all the justices. No one is concerned about her dissent.

 

[hndog609]

Calling out the conservative political hacks posing as SCOTUS justices---changing their past opinions in this gun case.

I literally did a better job summarizing the situation in this post.

It's this ^. A bump stock equipped rifle does not definitionally meet the criteria of being a "machine gun" and the ATF doesn't have the authority to just say "Well, close enough." and call it good. Now that doesn't mean they couldn't go back and amend the current definition to include something like "and to include any other modification/addition, irrespective of the actual fire control mechanism, that by it's design is intended to encourage a sequence of firing functionally analogous to a "machine gun"'. This would put a bump stock under the same umbrella as an "auto sear".

 

[volfanhill]

Calling out the conservative political hacks posing as SCOTUS justices---changing their past opinions in this gun case.

SCOTUS opinions can't evolve? I remember when Obama was anti gay marriage before being for it.

 

[K-town Vol Fan]

It's sad this has just become every day news. It doesn't have to be like this. But while y'all were celebrating your SCOTUS win, another crazy person with a gun went on a shooting spree, and y'all didn't even notice or bat an eyelash.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/15/us/rochester-hills-michigan-splash-pad-shooting/index.html

 

[Orangeslice13]

It's sad this has just become every day news. It doesn't have to be like this. But while y'all were celebrating your SCOTUS win, another crazy person with a gun went on a shooting spree, and y'all didn't even notice or bat an eyelash.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/15/us/rochester-hills-michigan-splash-pad-shooting/index.html

If only there were some laws against shooting people.