Guns don't kill

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Ed12111 said:
My point was some people seem to think banning or regulating something will only prevent non criminals from doing it. This is ridiculous. Criminals and non-criminals aren't so easily defined. It's not as if the Mafia are the only people who commit crimes.
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What was your point?
 
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azVolFan said:
So advocating against millions of babies being butchered is thoughtless. Gotcha.
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Who said they were "babies"? The divine word of AzVolfan? What scientific or other reasoning do you have for such a claim. You don't ergo thoughtless.
 
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BeecherVol said:
What was your point?
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You can't at any one point divide up the population as criminals or non-criminals(you could but it wouldn't be very accurate). You can't just say if we ban something the criminals will still do it. If you ban prostitution some people(criminals) will still do it, but many people who would if it were legal won't. That is true for everything including guns.
 
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Ed12111 said:
You can't at any one point divide up the population as criminals or non-criminals(you could but it wouldn't be very accurate). You can't just say if we ban something the criminals will still do it. If you ban prostitution some people(criminals) will still do it, but many people who would if it were legal won't. That is true for everything including guns.
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If the point is stopping death (of any kind with a gun, which includes self defense) where do you start? Grannys pistol thats in the night stand?

I give you a chance to explain your stance.

We totally disagree on what/who the problem is.
 
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BeecherVol said:
If the point is stopping death (of any kind with a gun, which includes self defense) where do you start? Grannys pistol thats in the night stand?

I give you a chance to explain your stance.

We totally disagree on what/who the problem is.
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I don't think we disagree on who/what the problem is.
 
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hndog609 said:
Since capital punishment was reinstated in 1976 TX has averaged less than 14 executions per year and the average time for them to get around to the actual execution is over 10 years. It's better than nothing but that's not exactly the kind of thing that puts "death row" in people's minds until they're already caught.

Let me put this in perspective for you; according to the FBI in '07 there were 254 cases of justifiable homicide by private citizens. This does not include the number of times where the presence of a gun sent the vermin scurrying or even when the criminals were only wounded. So far this year in the entire country there've only been 44 executions. If you do the math the legally armed citizen is a hell of a lot more effective at disposing of criminals than the justice system. (not to mention a lot cheaper)
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Never said we should ban guns, I just said there would be less murders in the US without them. How could you argue that?
 
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Ed12111 said:
I wouldn't mind limits on number of guns, mandatory gun safety classes, and the type of weapons available. Exactly where to draw the line is debatable. I would definitely ban assault rifles.
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what's your definition of an assault rifle? Have an example of one that isn't banned currently?

I ask because earlier you said hunting rifles were ok but had no idea what a hunting rifle actually was.
 
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utvolpj said:
what's your definition of an assault rifle? Have an example of one that isn't banned currently?

I ask because earlier you said hunting rifles were ok but had no idea what a hunting rifle actually was.
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I had no idea, or I didn't give the answer you wanted. I told you an AR-15 as an example already.
 
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So Ed...

How many guns is too many?

How many guns can someone buy in a Day, Month, Year? How do you track how many guns someone buys?
 
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#218
What about muzzle loaders? Are they too dangerous for people to have?


I own 3 rifles and 4 shotguns. One of those rifles were handed down to me by my grandfather. One of the shotguns was given to me by my dad. My father got it from his grandfather.

Is that too many guns?

You're scared to death of guns and want to place the blame for dumbass people on an inanimate object.
 
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overseasorange2 said:
Never said we should ban guns, I just said there would be less murders in the US without them. How could you argue that?
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Who's arguing? Guns are the most common means for murdering people. They're also far and away the most common means for people to defend themselves as well as other uses that have nothing to do with harming anybody.

Not that I have any interest in finding out but it's an interesting concept as to exactly what the murder rate would be without guns in this culture. Comparing other countries doesn't help much as there's always some really big apples in with the oranges. England comes closest culturally but is tiny in size and how the urban/rural numbers play out. In Great Britain guns are savagely regulated and handguns basically outright verboten. Yet in '08/09 England and Wales had 4275 handgun offences. The question that comes to mind, theoretically of course, is what would the crime be if in fact ONLY the crimanals were armed...and they knew it? (I'm not pretending to know the answer here but I had a guy shoot two invaders breaking into his home not a 1/2 mile from my house not long ago...it happens more than most people realize)
 
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Ed12111 said:
Yep once someone says ban assault rifles we'll just twist the definition so nothing is an assault rifle. I know how it goes.
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how is it an assault rifle then? Please explain how it is more dangerous than any other semi-auto weapon. Just because it looks like one doesn't make it one. I could mod my Ruger 10/22 to look even meaner but then you might classify that as an assault rifle and take it away too
 
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Ed12111 said:
Yep once someone says ban assault rifles we'll just twist the definition so nothing is an assault rifle. I know how it goes.
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I'm afraid you're showing your ignorance again. (Not busting your chops, I'm pretty ignorant about string theory, but I'm not claiming I know alot about string theory either) Things that can get a weapon banned have included such nonsense as a rifle with a pistol grip or forward grip, thumbhole stock or folding/telescoping stock. As a practical matter none of these things do jack to make the weapon "more deadly"...but for some reason does get the hoplophobes riled up.
 
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Ed, you are the one showing ignorance as usual...

Guns are a big part of America just as the automobile is, but for a much longer period of time. They are impossible to track.

So your just going to have to wrap your liberal mind around the fact that they are not going anywhere and get over it
 
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Ed12111 said:
Yep once someone says ban assault rifles we'll just twist the definition so nothing is an assault rifle. I know how it goes.
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It can also be twisted to where everything is an "assault rifle" even though there is no such thing. Again, who are you to tell me what kind of firearm I can own?
 
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