Halzle on Nico, per Wes Rucker

[TennesseeTarheel]

Is Wes Rucker really the Burger King?

 

[JMSqb11]

They are very much the same. For as little good as JG did, his the bad was worse. That's Joe Milton too. Neither is an SEC caliber QB. At least JG was a warrior and would take a hit to try and make a play. Can't remember JG stepping out of bounds on a two point conversion instead of trying to throw the ball. Once JG was gone the offense got better. Looks like it will be the same with Milton.

I can't remember JG running out of bounds, but I can remember him throwing a game away to beat Bama on the road for the first time under Saban and since 2003......

Comparing Milton to JG is moronic.

 

[Behr]

Tifiw..

https://atozsports.com/nashville/tennessee-coach-news-vols-wr-donte-thornton/

Tennessee coach confirms suspicion with Vols WR Dont'e Thornton​

UT's offense under Josh Heupel requires everyone to be on the same page at all times. And it can take a little while to build that level of chemistry/trust.

It was never fair to expect Thornton to turn into a Jalin Hyatt clone in Week One.

Hyatt was moderately productive in his first year in Heupel's offense before breaking out in a big way as a junior in 2022. That's not to say that it will take that long for Thornton to break out (maybe it doesn't take that long or maybe it takes longer, no one knows for now), but it's a reminder that it takes time in this offense to become comfortable.

 

[GoVols64]

Well he is not wrong..... Milton graded the highest of any player this past weekend. People really hate the guy so much that they will overlook the defense giving up a million 3rd and longs in the first half.

Milton wasn’t our problem last Sat. Penalties, OL play and a paper mache secondary were the main issues I saw.

 

[JMSqb11]

Tifiw..

https://atozsports.com/nashville/tennessee-coach-news-vols-wr-donte-thornton/

Tennessee coach confirms suspicion with Vols WR Dont'e Thornton​

UT's offense under Josh Heupel requires everyone to be on the same page at all times. And it can take a little while to build that level of chemistry/trust.

It was never fair to expect Thornton to turn into a Jalin Hyatt clone in Week One.

Hyatt was moderately productive in his first year in Heupel's offense before breaking out in a big way as a junior in 2022. That's not to say that it will take that long for Thornton to break out (maybe it doesn't take that long or maybe it takes longer, no one knows for now), but it's a reminder that it takes time in this offense to become comfortable.

It does NOT, however, take time to staunchly agree or disagree with ole Bear Bear! Hope you are having blessed 2023 pal!

 

[Behr]

It does NOT, however, take time to staunchly agree or disagree with ole Bear Bear! Hope you are having blessed 2023 pal!

Just thought it was worth a read.

Doing good.

 

[UTFranklinVol]

Tifiw..

https://atozsports.com/nashville/tennessee-coach-news-vols-wr-donte-thornton/

Tennessee coach confirms suspicion with Vols WR Dont'e Thornton​

UT's offense under Josh Heupel requires everyone to be on the same page at all times. And it can take a little while to build that level of chemistry/trust.

It was never fair to expect Thornton to turn into a Jalin Hyatt clone in Week One.

Hyatt was moderately productive in his first year in Heupel's offense before breaking out in a big way as a junior in 2022. That's not to say that it will take that long for Thornton to break out (maybe it doesn't take that long or maybe it takes longer, no one knows for now), but it's a reminder that it takes time in this offense to become comfortable.

So what this is saying is that UT under CJH is going to be really awesome for a year, then all those good players leave for the NFL and we have to take a year off while the new guys "get on the same page" before we are good again and then repeat the process again? So basically plan on sucking every other year at a minimum?

 

[Behr]

So what this is saying is that UT under CJH is going to be really awesome for a year, then all those good players leave for the NFL and we have to take a year off while the new guys "get on the same page" before we are good again and then repeat the process again? So basically plan on sucking every other year at a minimum?

It's like every single other piece of information shared on VN. It says exactly what YOU want it to say.

 

[xpsyclonex2002]

I am more concerned about the oc play calling than miltons play.

I can't say you're wrong. I beat up on Milton and I won't apologize for it. But I have to question the play calling as well. Joe looks bad out there in my eyes but they also didn't really even attempt to push the ball down field. They haven't done it in all 3 games. Look at the play calling with Joe in the game against Clemson and then compare it to any of the first 3 games. Looks totally different. I question if the lackluster performance is driven by lack of field leadership? players internally questioning "what the heck are we doing here, Coach?" or worse, toxic players in the locker room.

 

[ProudVOLfan]

It isn’t JG’s fault. He has no protection. He can take a beating like no other. Tough as nails.

Same diatribe.

EXACTLY! Same ole story from the same ole posters

 

[GetYouSomeofThat]

clown show

The clowns are the ones that cant see the Oline is the root of the offensive woes

 

[GetYouSomeofThat]

I am more concerned about the oc play calling than miltons play.

A prefectly times play call is useless as tits on a boar hog of the O line fails to execute.

Some of yall need to re-watch the game and focus on the missed blocks that affected the play, even if it wasnt a tackle for.loss.

 

[Volhoops]

I can't remember JG running out of bounds, but I can remember him throwing a game away to beat Bama on the road for the first time under Saban and since 2003......

Comparing Milton to JG is moronic.

Moronic is denying the truth like you have. Milton is JG. Milton ran out of bounds with no time on the clock instead of throwing it to the end zone and trying to win. JG had the great games, great throws but over all was not a winning QB. The same can be said for 5 year in college Joe Milton.

 

[lifeisdeep]

But your comment sounds just like the things people said when defending JG. A good quarterback makes the entire team look better. Butch played Tyler Worley through the first half of Josh Dobbs freshman season until he was injured. It was the same narrative… Worley gives us the best chance to win (ie experience, playbook knowledge, etc). But the fans knew Worley didn’t have that it’s Factor.

Same thing here. To say well… Milton isn’t the ONLY reason we aren’t good says all you need to know. Your quarterback is either the reason you’re winning… Or the reason you’re losing. It’s that important of a position.

It’s almost like saying our basketball team is awful offensively. But it’s not the point guards fault. He shoots 35%. He doesn’t really have any assists and turns the ball over some. But he makes 1/3 shots so he’s not the reason we aren’t good?

Quit picking on our poor little coaches! They’re so preoccupied with counting their millions that we pay them that they don’t have time to do all that damn coaching crap. Plus it’s really stressful when you’re incompetent and people notice and call you out for it.

 

[TNStudMuffin]

That is your opinion, which you are entitled to. The fact is, more of Milton’s passes went where they were supposed to go than did not. Which is precisely why the coaches are the coaches.

QB is a position you have to be able to get into the flow of the game, which wouldn’t happen for either QB if you’re playing a rotating 2 QB system.

The fact is, as coaches have been pointing out in press conferences, it takes all 11 guys doing what they’re supposed to do for plays to work. It’s easy to blame offensive woes on the QB, but nobody wants to look at whether or not the line is giving the receivers time to run their routes and the QB time to find them, did the RB pick up his block assignment, did the TE hold his block long enough before taking off on his route? It’s not so simple as to blame the QB. When it ain’t working, it’s on all 11 guys on the field.

The fact also is, the QB position is by far the most able to pick up the slack. It doesn't take all 11 guys doing exactly what they are supposed to for a play to work. You can have a busted play turn into a big gain because the QB is able to make things happen. Joe is not going to make things happen, so here we are.

 

[lifeisdeep]

OK, hear me out… I’m not gonna go cryptic and say Milton should hit the bench and never play again. But can anyone give me a single negative consequence of the coaches giving Nico every 3rd series? Give me a single negative? Based on the first three games of the season we are nowhere close to a championship caliber team. We’re not anywhere close to having even a decent offense. We have to be at the bottom half of the entire NCAA in numerous office of categories.

So what do we possibly gain by getting Nico 0 meaningful reps? Milton is a 6th year senior. There is no future with him. If we aren’t a championship caliber team this year (and we most certainly are not)…why not plan for the future?

What I think would likely happen is Nico would make some of those athletic plays and keep the chains moving in situation Milton does not. I think if we started getting him a Series here and there within a couple of weeks at best…it would become apparent he gives us the best chance offensively. And at worst… You would be getting him valuable reps for the future.

Stop making sense! Don’t you know it’s impossible for a college football coach to ever be wrong? We know de facto that if he was hired, he must be perfect and all-knowing and incapable of a mistake. Until we fire him, at which point all the pumpers claim they never believed in him.

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

Quit picking on our poor little coaches! They’re so preoccupied with counting their millions that we pay them that they don’t have time to do all that damn coaching crap. Plus it’s really stressful when you’re incompetent and people notice and call you out for it.

You're too funny

 

[DrTNT]

The fact also is, the QB position is by far the most able to pick up the slack. It doesn't take all 11 guys doing exactly what they are supposed to for a play to work. You can have a busted play turn into a big gain because the QB is able to make things happen. Joe is not going to make things happen, so here we are.

Again I say that is your opinion. Is he as mobile as say, Hooker or Dobbs, no. So given that fact, he needs the blocking help that is not currently there. If he has that, then he has the ability to put uncork the ball far enough down the field that either his guy gets it or no one does, & that is making something happen.

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

Stop making sense! Don’t you know it’s impossible for a college football coach to ever be wrong? We know de facto that if he was hired, he must be perfect and all-knowing and incapable of a mistake. Until we fire him, at which point all the pumpers claim they never believed in him.

You aren't firing anybody. People like you are the reason our fan base is a laughingstock at times.

 

[JMSqb11]

Moronic is denying the truth like you have. Milton is JG. Milton ran out of bounds with no time on the clock instead of throwing it to the end zone and trying to win. JG had the great games, great throws but over all was not a winning QB. The same can be said for 5 year in college Joe Milton.

Lol... Bless your heart.... Milton has won more games than he has lost here as a starter. JG never touched anything close to a winning record....

 

[lifeisdeep]

You aren't firing anybody. People like you are the reason our fan base is a laughingstock at times.

People like you are the reason we keep getting stuck with sub-par coaches. By all means keep buying the product regardless of whether it's crap. Maybe when all of you die we'll get fans that actually have expectations in line with our tradition and we can be like a real program that doesn't accept mediocrity even if it means bunching the panties of those who still live in the twentieth century and want to give a bad coach ten years to magically morph into a good one.

 

[Pride85]

Guys, pretty much every pundit, including PFF and the various sports sites have stated since Saturday that Milton was not the main reason we lost that game. PFF in fact rated Milton the highest rating on thr offense. In fact, right now he is ranked 32nd overall for offense, one space ahead of Micheal Penix. Let that soak in for a bit.

 

[Pride85]

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People like you are the reason we keep getting stuck with sub-par coaches. By all means keep buying the product regardless of whether it's crap. Maybe when all of you die we'll get fans that actually have expectations in line with our tradition and we can be like a real program that doesn't accept mediocrity even if it means bunching the panties of those who still live in the twentieth century and want to give a bad coach ten years to magically morph into a good one.

And people like you is why we have had a horrific 15 year run. If you don't think there is ever any possibility for improvement, then give it up. There is no chance you will be happy because there will always be rough spots.

 

[whobethis16]

If that's a " really high" level, then the qb of this offense needs to perform at an elite level. We won this game last year by 5 points and qb production was:
461 total yds 3td 0int
This year:
287 total yds 2td 1int.

With only 106 total rushing yds, "really high" doesn't cut it. Sounds like Halzle may not be ready for the big time yet.

The better question is why wasn't 461 and 3 TDs a blowout? Instead of requiring the QB to put up those numbers each and every week, why not demand the rest of the team step it up some?

 

[chas]

the OC is part of what wrong with the offensce this year, hope he gets better are it going to be a long season.