Harbaugh tops Saban

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What's funny is that assuming Michigan gets to the Big Ten Title game and wins it, Harbaugh will have as many B1G titles as Meyer.
 
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Yes, what's funny is assuming. I agree.

And Michigan is assuming. And paying a lot for the assumption.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Yes, what's funny is assuming. I agree.

And Michigan is assuming. And paying a lot for the assumption.
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He's one of the top five coaches in college football. He's being paid like it. It's that simple.

And even if YOU think he's overrated, as someone who is a fan of the Michigan program, nobody associated with the football program think he's overrated. Value is different depending on who you are talking to. Everybody is perfectly happy with him making $9M a year because he's worth the investment right now. His resume in pro and college football, energy, going rate (being heavily courted by NFL teams when he left San Francisco and Michigan in the market for a new coach), style, plus him being a famous former football player and alumni of the school demanded a very high contract at the time. Some other NFL team would have offered 6M-8M to him at the time. It was an easy decision. If it's an overpay it a smart, calculated overpay that will reap huge benefits in the long term.

Are you going to answer my earlier question when we discussed this if Butch Jones is overpaid? Again, he's being paid more than David Shaw, Gary Patterson, Mike Gundy, Mark Helfrich, Bill Snyder, Paul Johnson, Rich Rodriguez, Tommy Tuberville, AND within 500K of other coaches as Bret Bielema, Mark Dantonio, Les Miles, Dabo Swinney and Kirk Ferentz.

All those coaches have won a power 5 conference title (Rich Rod won when the Big East still had some power) while Butch Jones has zero.

Obviously, we are overpaying.
 
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NeverWe'llSever said:
What has Harbaugh ever won to deserve this pay? He's been a bridesmaid his whole coaching career.
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An NFC title, two NFC West titles, second best NFL record during his four years in the NFL, and three straight NFC conference title appearances.

Took a 1 win Stanford team and had them winning 12 games and an Orange Bowl in 4 years. Took a five win Michigan team and turned them into a 10 win team in one year. Top five recruiting class in 2016 and will have another won.

Or you could just watch his teams and know he is a hell of a football coach.
 
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People also forget Harbaugh is only in year six of coaching college football.

Meyer was in year six before winning a title.

Saban was in year 9 before winning a title.

Miles was in year 7 before winning a title.
 
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Alabama made a deal with the devil! It has ruined college football for me. I still love my vols but what bama did has created this never ending coach carousel
 
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Harbough is a very polarizing topic. Tough to argue with his results, look where he took Stanford, and look where Michigan is now. Plus he went to a Super Bowl with Kapernick. But has never "won" anything....

I see both sides of the discussion. I side with liking Harbough and thinking he is worth the money, especially at a school like Michigan. They were on the decline for the past 8-10 years or so and he saved them. Brady Hoke's BCS year was a fluke and he was exposed quickly. With today's environment once you get down it is hard to get up off the mat. UT, USC, Penn State, Nebraska, Texas, Miami are all traditional power programs that have really struggled over the last few years. Ask any of those fan bases if they would pay a coach $9M to get them into the position Harbough has Michigan in and I think we all know what the answer would be.
 
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tnburban said:
Harbough is a very polarizing topic. Tough to argue with his results, look where he took Stanford, and look where Michigan is now. Plus he went to a Super Bowl with Kapernick. But has never "won" anything....

I see both sides of the discussion. I side with liking Harbough and thinking he is worth the money, especially at a school like Michigan. They were on the decline for the past 8-10 years or so and he saved them. Brady Hoke's BCS year was a fluke and he was exposed quickly. With today's environment once you get down it is hard to get up off the mat. UT, USC, Penn State, Nebraska, Texas, Miami are all traditional power programs that have really struggled over the last few years. Ask any of those fan bases if they would pay a coach $9M to get them into the position Harbough has Michigan in and I think we all know what the answer would be.
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Exactly. Look at Nick Saban. Alabama made an absolute big time offer to Saban to get back where they need it to be. It worked out perfectly. The other factor is being ignored is that Harbaugh was also being recruited by multiple NFL teams so Michigan also had to compete against that.
 
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zjcvols said:
...as someone who is a fan of the Michigan program...
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Ah. Now I see.

Well, we will all know in the next few years whether he was worth more than Saban and Meyer. All he has to do is find the promised land a few times, and prove me wrong.

Until then, he's paid more than multi-championship coaches, and he's not a championship coach.
 
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armchair said:
and I presume a Southerner would say this. In fact, the money college football coaches are paid is absurd--but then we have our priorities! Student-athletes playing, what, close to 15 games a year now, in some cases, massive staffs, multimillionaire coaches. It's a junior professional football.
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The man has singlehandedly brought in hundreds of millions, if not $1B+ to the University of Alabama over and above what would have been brought in by a replacement level coach. He isn't getting paid with and the football program doesn't use a dime of taxpayer money. A large portion of the money he brings in winds up getting put into the academic fund of the University as well. Something like 30-40% of incoming freshmen are from out-of-state, and you know that some of them are staying in-state and living/working there after graduation. The overall economic impact the football team makes on the region is staggering, and Saban has virtually everything to do with its resurgence since he got there. It is extremely easy to make an economic argument that he's vastly underpaid.

Do we put too much emphasis on college football? Probably. Are coaches too powerful at their universities? Some of them are, including Saban. Rightly or wrongly, he's still the single greatest thing that has ever happened to the University.
 
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zjcvols said:
An NFC title, two NFC West titles, second best NFL record during his four years in the NFL, and three straight NFC conference title appearances.

Took a 1 win Stanford team and had them winning 12 games and an Orange Bowl in 4 years. Took a five win Michigan team and turned them into a 10 win team in one year. Top five recruiting class in 2016 and will have another won.
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Explain to me how these aren't bridesmaid accomplishments. The funniest one by far was the 3rd one you listed.
 
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05_never_again said:
The man has singlehandedly brought in hundreds of millions, if not $1B+ to the University of Alabama over and above what would have been brought in by a replacement level coach. He isn't getting paid with and the football program doesn't use a dime of taxpayer money. A large portion of the money he brings in winds up getting put into the academic fund of the University as well. Something like 30-40% of incoming freshmen are from out-of-state, and you know that some of them are staying in-state and living/working there after graduation. The overall economic impact the football team makes on the region is staggering, and Saban has virtually everything to do with its resurgence since he got there. It is extremely easy to make an economic argument that he's vastly underpaid.

Do we put too much emphasis on college football? Probably. Are coaches too powerful at their universities? Some of them are, including Saban. Rightly or wrongly, he's still the single greatest thing that has ever happened to the University.
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just an FYI its 51% that are out of state. which is a staggering percentage. https://www.ua.edu/about/quickfacts

UT hovers around 80% in state.
 
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ConMan said:
Alabama made a deal with the devil! It has ruined college football for me. I still love my vols but what bama did has created this never ending coach carousel
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Let me help you out on this story...

Little Nicky Saban heard the sirens' song and took a job in the NFL. He had his ass handed to him in Miami. He wanted back into the college coaching ranks, and he wanted to return at the helm of a perennial P5 powerhouse. To get what he wanted, he made a deal with the Devil and became Lucifer's Vessel on the corporeal plane.

Bammers believe themselves to be gods among men (a delusion that is generationally manifest and suspected of having genetic markers). They couldn't accept the mediocrity of their Crimson Tide. They extended their welcome to Lucifer's Vessel, providing Beelzebub access to myriad tasty Baptists and Methodists souls already perched upon the precipice of the Lake of Fire by their Bammerdom.

So it was that evil took root in voluntary ignorance and Saban became the Head Coach of Alabama. Lucifer has rewarded his Vessel with fame and fortune unimagined, however, the Trickster has reminded Little Nicky from time to time of his servitude and his ultimate fate (ULM 2007, Utah 2008, SoCar, LSU & Auburn 2010, LSU 2011, TAMU 2012, Auburn & Oklahoma 2013, Ole Miss & tOSU 2014, Ole Miss 2015).

The end for them is only Hell and Damnation. Stay orange & true, my son. Righteousness is visible in every sunrise and sunset.
 
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Made 9 mil and became the highest paid college coach before his 1st NC and his 1st conference championship, ever.

The highest paid NFL coach is Sean Payton and Pete Carroll at 8 mil. Of course, both have done more than just pursue a championship.

So there you have it, Harbaugh is the highest paid coach in the history of college and professional football. That's some serious potential.
 
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DiderotsGhost said:
If you do an economic analysis, the value that a coach like Harbaugh brings to a program like Michigan can easily be in the $15 - $25 million range.

College football is an industry with high fixed costs. There's little difference from a cost perspective between having 50,000 fans at a game (50% capacity) versus having 100,000 fans at a game (100% capacity). Yet, the latter generates a lot more revenue, not only from ticket sales, but from concessions and merchandise sales. When you start to examine how this impacts the bottom line, it can easily be a difference in the range of $1 - $3 million per game!

If anything, Harbaugh is underpriced, as is Nick Saban, Urban Meyer, and any head coach that can consistently pump out top 10 quality teams that keep the fans coming to the games and highly invested in the team.

The difference between a Derek Dooley and a Jim Harbaugh can be $20 million a year very easily.
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Also the value he adds to the Athletic Department as a whole...per the below USAToday article: After hiring Harbaugh, Michigan’s football team has become an undefeated, top-two program and likely an even bigger cash cow after contributing $88 million of the athletic department’s $152 million revenues in the fiscal year ending in June 2015.

Hiring a college football coach is expensive. Firing one is, too.
 
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05_never_again said:
The man has singlehandedly brought in hundreds of millions, if not $1B+ to the University of Alabama over and above what would have been brought in by a replacement level coach. He isn't getting paid with and the football program doesn't use a dime of taxpayer money. A large portion of the money he brings in winds up getting put into the academic fund of the University as well. Something like 30-40% of incoming freshmen are from out-of-state, and you know that some of them are staying in-state and living/working there after graduation. The overall economic impact the football team makes on the region is staggering, and Saban has virtually everything to do with its resurgence since he got there. It is extremely easy to make an economic argument that he's vastly underpaid.

Do we put too much emphasis on college football? Probably. Are coaches too powerful at their universities? Some of them are, including Saban. Rightly or wrongly, he's still the single greatest thing that has ever happened to the University.
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So is the goal now to make $$ or win championships??? Do you think Michigan would still got the big NIKE deal without Harbaugh?? I Do!

Michigan football is a Top 5 brand with or without Harbaugh. Has he made them better??? Hell yea but by this logic is Dabo a $9M coach? Butch Jones?? Because both of them have raised the level of their programs and both have done it by playing better competition.

Lets back up the brinks truck and give Butch about $9M a year, cause he is making this program money
 
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It's always about making money. Wins are a mean to making money. If college football didn't make so much money, there wouldn't be an arms race.
 
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zjcvols said:
Here we go again.

Worth every penny. Not only has he increased the value of Michigan and also helped land the biggest apparel deal ever with Nike, he is putting on an amazing on field product that everyone talks about. Also he's working on a second consecutive top five recruiting class and about to put a lot of players in the NFL this year.

Worth. Every. Penny.
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You forgot Dockers sending him royalty checks for khaki pants sales shooting up 8,500,000% in the State of Michigan after he was hired.
 
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And you know what Texas is saying right now.

"If we offered Saban $10 million a year..."
 
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