Harrison Bailey

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TNVOLFN said:
I started a thread back in 2019 saying we needed to lower our expectations and got absolutely roasted and told it was a bad analysis:

"Just a heads up, but I feel we need to slow down with our expectations for Bailey coming on to campus and being QB1 on day one. The kid throws an elite ball, no question, but he also holds onto the ball for a long time and takes sacks and he is prone to throw interceptions.

No doubt that can all be corrected, but I'm telling you, he is a work in progress as I've seen him play multiple times. You can't simply look at stats because 1. That's not a true indicator of how a player's game translates to the next level and 2. a LOT of his throws were either perimeter throws to exceptional athletes or short passes to a generational talent in Gilbert."
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Did we ever recover? 😔
 
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CAVPUT said:
They did him no favors, but let's be honest about his tability. Not sure he's a D1 talent. Certainly not at a power 5 level.
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I suspect he needed 3-4 years of development. Hundreds of decent college QBs have not been ready to start until their redshirt Jr or Sr years.
When he didn't swoop in and decisively take the UNLV job, it was telling.
A consensus 4-star QB recruit should have blown his competition away in short order. He didn't clear the field and still, barely saw the field.
He should be a rising Junior, since he played in only one game in 21.
His career isn't over, for sure, but he needs real development yesterday.
 
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508mikey said:
It was already known by Tennessee though -- exhibit one JG
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You mean the guy currently on an NFL roster? 🤣

Not that he lived up to the hype (not that his hype was even a fraction of HB's), but nowhere the bust HB15 was. Talking a guy that started for 4 years vs a guy about to bounce down to the FCS and was 3rd string on one of the worst FBS teams. If he ends up on an NFL roster, good for him, but hard to see it at this point.
 
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SpookyAction said:
I hate to say it, but choosing the VOLS was a horrible decision for Bailey. Jim Chaney was not coaching QBs like he did at Purdue. Weinke never proved he could coach anyone in Knoxville.

And then he was a poor fit for Heupel's scheme.

I hate to think that he will never meet his potential because he came to Knoxville, but that is what happened.
Now he is years behind in his development with little time left. A true shame.
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"Poor fit" aka he processes far too slowly, but yes especially in Heupel's. Which won't be a good fit at any FBS level program. Otherwise there's no way you'd be QB3 on a roster as poor as UNLV's.

If Chaney coached liked at Purdue, it would have been even worse for him. There's a reason the scouts kept saying he'd be best in a 1 read play action style offense. Imo the best for him is if he had gotten the Arkansas Chaney.

Why I think he'd be better off at FCS. Said it after his first season. Just doesn't have it upstairs and not sure how much that can be developed tbh. But he may at least succeed at a lower level closer to a speed such as he saw in HS.
 
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I hope he finds a home somewhere. Have no ill will towards him. I think he could have benefited staying for a year or two, but wouldn’t beat out Hooker or Milton. Just would get actual coaching and could follow Hooker’s work ethic. Anyway, hope he lands somewhere and gets a chance.
 
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jsc1973 said:
He'll go to Valdosta State next, pass for 4000 yards each of the next two seasons, and the Negavols from two years ago will come back out of the woodwork and talk about what an awful mistake Heupel made...
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I doubt they will, but I hope he does that. Although, there were some bashing Barnes after seeing Pember go off in the Big South so who knows. I never cease to be amazed around here. I do think most Vol fans are smart enough to know to discern the difference but you always have a few who see numbers and nothing else.
 
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Devo182 said:
You mean the guy currently on an NFL roster? 🤣

Not that he lived up to the hype (not that his hype was even a fraction of HB's), but nowhere the bust HB15 was. Talking a guy that started for 4 years vs a guy about to bounce down to the FCS and was 3rd string on one of the worst FBS teams. If he ends up on an NFL roster, good for him, but hard to see it at this point.
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Bailey was another in a long line of "busts" that have led me to be skeptical of the ratings.

That said, JG being a 4 year starter is a testimony to coaches that couldn't coach or recruit. He was never a good QB. Trying to compare the two is sort of like asking if you want cat scat or horse hockey for breakfast. "Neither thank you".
 
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jsc1973 said:
He'll go to Valdosta State next, pass for 4000 yards each of the next two seasons, and the Negavols from two years ago will come back out of the woodwork and talk about what an awful mistake Heupel made...
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They did it with Nathan Peterman, even there wasn’t a world in the multiverse in which he would’ve played over Dobbs.
 
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TNVOLFN said:
I started a thread back in 2019 saying we needed to lower our expectations and got absolutely roasted and told it was a bad analysis:

"Just a heads up, but I feel we need to slow down with our expectations for Bailey coming on to campus and being QB1 on day one. The kid throws an elite ball, no question, but he also holds onto the ball for a long time and takes sacks and he is prone to throw interceptions.

No doubt that can all be corrected, but I'm telling you, he is a work in progress as I've seen him play multiple times. You can't simply look at stats because 1. That's not a true indicator of how a player's game translates to the next level and 2. a LOT of his throws were either perimeter throws to exceptional athletes or short passes to a generational talent in Gilbert."
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Yep. We lost to that Marietta team in the semis that year, and I posted something similar and got raked over the coals:

I’ll be that guy. I don’t think Bailey is all that. Let me make this clear: I want him to be the second coming of Peyton Manning and then some.

But I don’t know what y’all are talking about with him going through reads and progressions. He knows absolutely who he’s throwing to before every snap, and it’s almost always to the guy that’s a foot taller and 50 lbs heavier than the ones covering him. He has protection from offensive line with two Power-5 commits. Receivers are going to LSU, Michigan State, and Boston College. Running back going to Colorado State. They are absolutely stacked. Of course they’re going to put up cartoon numbers.

When pressured even a little bit, his accuracy drops dramatically, but again, he’s bailed out by Gilbert and company. When the playing field is leveled, and everybody has 3, 4, 5 stars, I wonder how his decision making and accuracy will be.
 
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Coach_Z said:
Yep. We lost to that Marietta team in the semis that year, and I posted something similar and got raked over the coals:

I’ll be that guy. I don’t think Bailey is all that. Let me make this clear: I want him to be the second coming of Peyton Manning and then some.

But I don’t know what y’all are talking about with him going through reads and progressions. He knows absolutely who he’s throwing to before every snap, and it’s almost always to the guy that’s a foot taller and 50 lbs heavier than the ones covering him. He has protection from offensive line with two Power-5 commits. Receivers are going to LSU, Michigan State, and Boston College. Running back going to Colorado State. They are absolutely stacked. Of course they’re going to put up cartoon numbers.

When pressured even a little bit, his accuracy drops dramatically, but again, he’s bailed out by Gilbert and company. When the playing field is leveled, and everybody has 3, 4, 5 stars, I wonder how his decision making and accuracy will be.
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I have a good friend who played at Marietta and also played for Memphis, he and other alumni didn’t really like that team or feel connected because they were all transfers!
 
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