Has CBJ ever had to fire a staff member?

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volfanhill said:
If you think chief is a bad dc then you don't know squat! There is a reason almost every team goes into prevent mode at times. It is because statistically it work. He is well regarded as one if the top DC's in all of college football by people who know far more about football then you or I.
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Chavis- Fat wallet
 
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roddo518 said:
Chavis is horrible. His defenses consistently under achieve even with some of the best defensive recruits in the nation each and every year. I recall when he was with ut of us consistently giving up big play after big play. Our secondary never could cover a deep square in under his watch(refer to sec championship game vs Lsu if u need a reminder). Almost every lead was in jeopardy late in the ball game due to his conservative prevent defense. I remember it being a running and sad joke each time we had less than a td lead with 3 minutes to go in a game.
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Even though I don't like him, Manziel put a beating on every SEC defense except for one. Care to guess which one that stifled him two years in a row? LSU's defense. Chavis is one of the 10 best DC in the country.
 
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Butch isn't an offensive wizard like Gus or Spurrier and he isn't a defensive guru like Saban or Muschamp. Butch, very much like Fulmer, relies on his coordinators, and they will make or break him. He will be forced to make a move with the staff IMO if the deficiency on one side of the ball is overwhelming in comparison to the talent fielded.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Even though I don't like him, Manziel put a beating on every SEC defense except for one. Care to guess which one that stifled him two years in a row? LSU's defense. Chavis is one of the 10 best DC in the country.
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Give Chavis some time to prepare and he'll out scheme anyone in the country. The Swamp Beasts that make up his LB group are the best in the country.
 
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omghulkhands said:
Butch isn't an offensive wizard like Gus or Spurrier and he isn't a defensive guru like Saban or Muschamp. Butch, very much like Fulmer, relies on his coordinators, and they will make or break him. He will be forced to make a move with the staff IMO if the deficiency on one side of the ball is overwhelming in comparison to the talent fielded.[/QUOTE

This is interesting.. and how do we know that he isn't a wizar or guru?
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volfanhill said:
If you think chief is a bad dc then you don't know squat! There is a reason almost every team goes into prevent mode at times. It is because statistically it work. He is well regarded as one if the top DC's in all of college football by people who know far more about football then you or I.
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2006 Assistant Football Coach of the Year: John Chavis
2011 Broyles Award, Best Assistant Coach in College Football: John Chavis
 
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Dickel#12Vol
This is interesting.. and how do we know that he isn't a wizar or guru?
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Because I've seen his teams at Cincy and now UT and he has never had anything sustained and comparable like the guys I just mentioned.
 
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omghulkhands said:
Butch isn't an offensive wizard like Gus or Spurrier and he isn't a defensive guru like Saban or Muschamp. Butch, very much like Fulmer, relies on his coordinators, and they will make or break him. He will be forced to make a move with the staff IMO if the deficiency on one side of the ball is overwhelming in comparison to the talent fielded.
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I don't know enough about coaching football to debate this but Butch "seems" to just be a dang good football coach, period. I'm OK with risking that.
 
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Dickel#12Vol said:
You mentioned two long term head coaches and two short term head coaches... are you comparing CBJ to all of them?
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They all have large enough sample sizes when you consider the highly successful tenures of Gus and Muschamp as coordinators. And both of those guys hit the ground running with their teams in their respective areas of proficiency when they became head coaches.
 
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orange parmejohn said:
I don't know enough about coaching football to debate this but Butch "seems" to just be a dang good football coach, period. I'm OK with risking that.
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I won't argue that. He has been a dazzling recruiter, motivator and representative of the program. I just have not seen anything that suggests he is a top notch coordinator. Before I start getting attacked, that doesn't mean he can't be successful. There are many coaches like him that are very successful and are not great X's and O's coaches, but those guys have surrounded themselves with great coordinators. Coordinators that I am not sure that we have.
 
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VOLINVONORE said:
Roper will soon be a head coach. I am concerned that he will bring the UF offense to the point where UF will be back where they were. He may have been the best hire in the SEC this year.
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I hope you are right. Having an offense that can move the ball would be good.. Lol
 
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Dougie_D said:
Or was that because those coaches wanted go somewhere else?

My main concern has always been our OC.

Alabama and Florida have new O.C's.

If their offensive unit produces more than Tennessee, then I think Bajakian needs to move on.

Kiffin and Roper are no dummies either.
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Sorry, but Dave Clawson already has a job.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Even though I don't like him, Manziel put a beating on every SEC defense except for one. Care to guess which one that stifled him two years in a row? LSU's defense. Chavis is one of the 10 best DC in the country.
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LSU also held Auburn to 21 IIRC
 
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Dougie_D said:
Or was that because those coaches wanted go somewhere else?

My main concern has always been our OC.

Alabama and Florida have new O.C's.

If their offensive unit produces more than Tennessee, then I think Bajakian needs to move on.

Kiffin and Roper are no dummies either.
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Pat Haden & USC disagree
 
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Chavis and Cutt were the main reason for Fulmer's success, when he lost Cutt the difference was obvious and Chavis couldn't carry the team by himself. As some have mentioned Chavis was horrible at defending 3rd and long with his prevent defense. As long as his defense was attacking they fared well. The HC job is not to be the Xand O guy, but to coordinate all the elements of the team and make the tough calls. His most important tasks are of an executive nature and I think CBJ excels at those duties. It remains to be seen what the coordinators and position coaches will do in terms of player development with all the young talent, but I like what I have seen so far. Coaches grow with experience just as players do, I am optimistic this staff will do well. CBJ is loaded with optimism and it appears to rub off on those around him. Colin Powell said "Optimism is a force multiplier" ; something we need RIGHT NOW !! GO VOLS !!
 
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Hamptonvolfan said:
Chavis and Cutt were the main reason for Fulmer's success, when he lost Cutt the difference was obvious and Chavis couldn't carry the team by himself. As some have mentioned Chavis was horrible at defending 3rd and long with his prevent defense. As long as his defense was attacking they fared well. The HC job is not to be the Xand O guy, but to coordinate all the elements of the team and make the tough calls. His most important tasks are of an executive nature and I think CBJ excels at those duties. It remains to be seen what the coordinators and position coaches will do in terms of player development with all the young talent, but I like what I have seen so far. Coaches grow with experience just as players do, I am optimistic this staff will do well. CBJ is loaded with optimism and it appears to rub off on those around him. Colin Powell said "Optimism is a force multiplier" ; something we need RIGHT NOW !! GO VOLS !!
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That being said, it does help quite a bit if the coach knows X's and O's too (Saban, Spurrier, Malzahn, etc.)
 
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orangeluvr said:
O.C.s come and go the bamers have had three in the past five years. Our O.C. now has the horses to execute his offense, though they're young we should see improvement this year. Defensively…...:dunno:
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