Has there ever been a more overvalued Conference(Big east '09)?

#26
#26
BigPapaVol said:
The SEC has twelve and no depth, no strength at the top and an atrocious bottom. Strength in numbers is a fallacy.

Add Utah and BYU to the Pac-10 and it might be able to compete with the SEC, but I wouldn't like the odds.
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I'd take a pac-10 with utah and byu over the sec easily. I'm sure the ncaas will bear that out.

And you really think louisville and marquette haven't been significant additions to the big east's stature?

Conference standings:

1. Lousiville 5-0
1b. Marquette 5-0

Case by case basis, truths are revealed.
 
#28
#28
hatvol96 said:
Those same 9 teams would be in contention in the PAC 10.
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I think we'll disagree on this one. I'd say certainly west va. and uconn, and pitt. the rest not so easily. Kind of a dead end here since it's all just conjecture w/ this kind of con-vs-con talk.

I still can't recall the last time I've seen such an overhyped conference this late in the year.
 
#29
#29
lidderer said:
I think we'll disagree on this one. I'd say certainly west va. and uconn, and pitt. the rest not so easily. Kind of a dead end here since it's all just conjecture w/ this kind of con-vs-con talk.

I still can't recall the last time I've seen such an overhyped conference this late in the year.
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Louisville would win the PAC 10.
 
#33
#33
lidderer said:
I'd take a pac-10 with utah and byu over the sec easily. I'm sure the ncaas will bear that out.

And you really think louisville and marquette haven't been significant additions to the big east's stature?

Conference standings:

1. Lousiville 5-0
1b. Marquette 5-0

Case by case basis, truths are revealed.
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Louisville is definitely top 3 in the league, but the other two are UConn and Pitt. I'd take that top 3 against any other in the country.
 
#36
#36
BigPapaVol said:
Louisville might not win it, but they would be the best team in it. Come year end, nobody's going to want to play that squad.
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It's the same thing as last year. Everyone went nuts when I ranked Louisville ahead of Tennessee in my preseason Top 25. Then, when they struggled early, everyone was quick to taunt me. Remind me how that movie ended.
 
#38
#38
BigPapaVol said:
Louisville is definitely top 3 in the league, but the other two are UConn and Pitt. I'd take that top 3 against any other in the country.
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I'd take duke/unc/wake in a second. It's a really good league, the BE, i'm not saying that's not true, but it's so out of whack, qualitywise, with the general consensus of its quality.

Louisville's turnaround last year was largely due to an amped up defense that held opponents to way under their norms at shooting. Louisville started this year doing that exact thing, so I don't think they're gonna get markedly better. Plus the evolution of the team from early this season to now hasn't been as drastic, just from watching a lot of their games.

Which is not to say they aren't a great team. Just that asu and ucla are a bit better.
 
#39
#39
hatvol96 said:
Louisville wouldn't lose more than 2 games in PAC 10 play.
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So they can lose to western ky, and unlv('nother good pac-10 addition candidate), and minnesota( a team you are not high on at all) and that equates to 'only 2 losses in the pac-10'.

they'd lose 4-5 easily.
 
#40
#40
lidderer said:
I'd take duke/unc/wake in a second. It's a really good league, the BE, i'm not saying that's not true, but it's so out of whack, qualitywise, with the general consensus of its quality.

Louisville's turnaround last year was largely due to an amped up defense that held opponents to way under their norms at shooting. Louisville started this year doing that exact thing, so I don't think they're gonna get markedly better. Plus the evolution of the team from early this season to now hasn't been as drastic, just from watching a lot of their games.

Which is not to say they aren't a great team. Just that asu and ucla are a bit better.
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ASU can't play with Louiville, period. UCLA might, at Pauley.

Remind me of all of the accolades for that top trio in the ACC.
 
#41
#41
The Cuse could wipe the floor with the Pac-10, if they play like they did last week against ND
 
#42
#42
lidderer said:
So they can lose to western ky, and unlv('nother good pac-10 addition candidate), and minnesota( a team you are not high on at all) and that equates to 'only 2 losses in the pac-10'.

they'd lose 4-5 easily.
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UNLV is as good as anyone in the PAC 10. UCLA and Arizona State are 2 of the 3 or 4 most overrated teams in the country.
 
#43
#43
lidderer said:
So they can lose to western ky, and unlv('nother good pac-10 addition candidate), and minnesota( a team you are not high on at all) and that equates to 'only 2 losses in the pac-10'.

they'd lose 4-5 easily.
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Translating preconference learning games into conference play results is almost as bad as being stat boy.
 
#44
#44
Cal lost to oregon state yesterday AT HOME. Cal was first in the pac-10 and blew out ASU. The pac-10 is horrid.
 
#45
#45
hatvol96 said:
UNLV is as good as anyone in the PAC 10. UCLA and Arizona State are 2 of the 3 or 4 most overrated teams in the country.
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absolutely. UNLV would strengthen the conference, where Utah and BYU would simply be more overrated garbage.
 
#48
#48
droski said:
Cal beat UNLV by 18 points in Las Vegas. I must admit i haven't seen unlv play since.
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hey no! that doesnt matter! games that have already happened are irrelevant! it's worse than a stat!

all that matters is what someone thinks about the future. Everything else is for geeks. Remember that.
 
#49
#49
hatvol96 said:
Utah isn't overrated. I don't know anyone who thinks they're good.
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That's the whole point, neither is depaul any good, or seton hall, but you throw a bunch of podunks in another conference and people will 'overvalue' it, which is funny because I dont think he knows it, but that papa guy mentioned the 'fallacy' in strength in numbers, and that is essentially what I'm saying.

It's about overvaluing. And no conference in ages has been so overvalued than the '09 big east.
 
#50
#50
lidderer said:
hey no! that doesnt matter! games that have already happened are irrelevant! it's worse than a stat!

all that matters is what someone thinks about the future. Everything else is for geeks. Remember that.
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I didn't call them irrelevant. I told it's stupid to pretend that they have any bearing on the quality of those teams today and how those teams will play in conference.

If you're silly enough to believe UK can't play with VMI or that Louisville wouldn't murder WKU today, more power to you. Maybe KenPom puts out some efficiency stats or pace stats that you and he can use to support the stupid point. Then you can laugh at the rest of us as all the stats wonders fall into the garbage heap when games matter.
 
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