Hawaii vs usc

#76
#76
Finally, a hated rival fan I can respect.

I knew there was one.

Keep up the good work bashing everything UF...with thought, reasoning, and sanity.

Looking for acceptance online, a rivals site at that and thanking someone for agreeing with you.

Thanks for proving my point that you basically have no life and are a loser.


Yep, you did. Which is weird because I think it proves quite a bit when he almost beats the champions in their house with three walkons starting. In the mean time, Florida got throttled by the same team on a neutral field. That says a lot about both Kiffin and Meyer imo.
It proves NOTHING, except that bama won once, Florida won once, and ut lost twice.


Which again comes back to you not acknowledging the disparity in talent. If Lane Kiffin can compete against a bunch of future pro players with a bunch of walk ons, what do you think he'd do with his own squad of pro players?

Are you really that dense? Does your brain even function?

Seriously, I can't talk to you anymore. Your attempts at trying to talk down to me are sad. As sad as you, a Gator fan hanging around a Tennessee site 24/7.

Good luck beating Bama in the future now that Saban has his players in place. Never gonna happen. Meyer is Saban's b****.
 
#78
#78
Which again comes back to you not acknowledging the disparity in talent. If Lane Kiffin can compete against a bunch of future pro players with a bunch of walk ons, what do you think he'd do with his own squad of pro players? Get fired by the Raiders?

Are you really that dense? Does your brain even function?
No. Yes.

Seriously, I can't talk to you anymore. Your attempts at trying to talk down to me are sad. As sad as you, a Gator fan hanging around a Tennessee site 24/7.
That's just sad.


Good luck beating Bama in the future now that Saban has his players in place. Never gonna happen. Meyer is Saban's b****.

So you'll take bama and give up the points...FOREVER. Smart bet.

I'll try and get over it. Maybe you'll talk again someday.
 
#80
#80
Who cares about USC and Kiffin....it's done and over with, let it go people

Or... you could let go trying to get others to let go. :p

I'm over him spurning the school. I just don't like him in general at this point. He's as douchey as Urban Meyer.
 
#81
#81
Looking for acceptance online, a rivals site at that and thanking someone for agreeing with you.

Thanks for proving my point that you basically have no life and are a loser.




Which again comes back to you not acknowledging the disparity in talent. If Lane Kiffin can compete against a bunch of future pro players with a bunch of walk ons, what do you think he'd do with his own squad of pro players?

Are you really that dense? Does your brain even function?

Seriously, I can't talk to you anymore. Your attempts at trying to talk down to me are sad. As sad as you, a Gator fan hanging around a Tennessee site 24/7.

Good luck beating Bama in the future now that Saban has his players in place. Never gonna happen. Meyer is Saban's b****.



You're hugely over playing the talent gap. Yes Tennessee had less talent and depth than both, but they also had inferior coaching, at least from an offensive stand point in the Florida game, and from a special teams stand point in the Alabama game.

No, we didn't have Tim Tebow, but our quarterback did get drafted into the NFL, if he wasn't ready to play by the time the Florida game rolled around then the fault of that goes to the people who were responsible for developing and teaching him-- the offense coaching staff including Lane Kiffin.

Honestly why he gets credit for his "elite" offensive prowess from coaching at USC is beyond me. When you beat up on inferior talent with far superior talent, that doesn't make you good. Generally doing that is called a handicap.

The only places I feel like they really had us crushed talent wise were at defensive tackle and offensive line. Flopping around like a fish on land under Fulmer doesn't mean that the team didn't have talent. It means it wasn't being used or coached out of them at all.

Also VT didn't significantly out talent us and they blew us out of the water. Pretty sure that had a thing or two to do with coaching. And don't give me the garbage and Kiffin didn't care. Fulmer is hugely critisized for the exact same thing-- losing the peach bowl. Fair is fair, do it to both.

Never underestimate what a rivalry game will do for a player's ability to rise to the occasion. You may be giving the coaches too much credit and the players not enough.
 
#82
#82
You're hugely over playing the talent gap. Yes Tennessee had less talent and depth than both, but they also had inferior coaching, at least from an offensive stand point in the Florida game, and from a special teams stand point in the Alabama game.

No, we didn't have Tim Tebow, but our quarterback did get drafted into the NFL, if he wasn't ready to play by the time the Florida game rolled around then the fault of that goes to the people who were responsible for developing and teaching him-- the offense coaching staff including Lane Kiffin.

Honestly why he gets credit for his "elite" offensive prowess from coaching at USC is beyond me. When you beat up on inferior talent with far superior talent, that doesn't make you good. Generally doing that is called a handicap.

The only places I feel like they really had us crushed talent wise were at defensive tackle and offensive line. Flopping around like a fish on land under Fulmer doesn't mean that the team didn't have talent. It means it wasn't being used or coached out of them at all.

Also VT didn't significantly out talent us and they blew us out of the water. Pretty sure that had a thing or two to do with coaching. And don't give me the garbage and Kiffin didn't care. Fulmer is hugely critisized for the exact same thing-- losing the peach bowl. Fair is fair, do it to both.

Never underestimate what a rivalry game will do for a player's ability to rise to the occasion. You may be giving the coaches too much credit and the players not enough.

No, I'm not and no, they didn't. If Tennessee had inferior coaching, two time champion Saban wouldn't have needed to block two field goals to win.

Crompton was drafted but he wasn't good. Getting drafted doesn't make you good... Alex Smith, Jamarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf etc. None of those guys are better than Kurt Warner. The guy that wasn't drafted. Glad you bare the sole responsibility on the coaching staff for not preparing him in the span of a year.

You're crazy if you don't think Florida and Alabama had way more talent than Tennessee. Also, I don't even think you're a Tennessee fan. Pretty sure you're posing as one.
 
#86
#86
You're hugely over playing the talent gap. Yes Tennessee had less talent and depth than both, but they also had inferior coaching, at least from an offensive stand point in the Florida game, and from a special teams stand point in the Alabama game.

No, we didn't have Tim Tebow, but our quarterback did get drafted into the NFL, if he wasn't ready to play by the time the Florida game rolled around then the fault of that goes to the people who were responsible for developing and teaching him-- the offense coaching staff including Lane Kiffin.

Honestly why he gets credit for his "elite" offensive prowess from coaching at USC is beyond me. When you beat up on inferior talent with far superior talent, that doesn't make you good. Generally doing that is called a handicap.

The only places I feel like they really had us crushed talent wise were at defensive tackle and offensive line. Flopping around like a fish on land under Fulmer doesn't mean that the team didn't have talent. It means it wasn't being used or coached out of them at all.

Also VT didn't significantly out talent us and they blew us out of the water. Pretty sure that had a thing or two to do with coaching. And don't give me the garbage and Kiffin didn't care. Fulmer is hugely critisized for the exact same thing-- losing the peach bowl. Fair is fair, do it to both.

Never underestimate what a rivalry game will do for a player's ability to rise to the occasion. You may be giving the coaches too much credit and the players not enough.

Eloquently stated, IMO.

However, some will disagree.

The Orange P, someone is bucking to be called a loser with no life, here ?

What's the hold up, The Orange P ?
 
#87
#87
No, I'm not and no, they didn't. If Tennessee had inferior coaching, two time champion Saban wouldn't have needed to block two field goals to win.

Crompton was drafted but he wasn't good. Getting drafted doesn't make you good... Alex Smith, Jamarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf etc. None of those guys are better than Kurt Warner. The guy that wasn't drafted. Glad you bare the sole responsibility on the coaching staff for not preparing him in the span of a year.

You're crazy if you don't think Florida and Alabama had way more talent than Tennessee. Also, I don't even think you're a Tennessee fan. Pretty sure you're posing as one.

Must be true then.

Yet another fan posing as a vol fan on a vol message board.

It's the perfect cover.

And, I can vouch for The Orange P's mind reading/truth seeing capabilities...impeccable.
 
#88
#88
No, I'm not and no, they didn't. If Tennessee had inferior coaching, two time champion Saban wouldn't have needed to block two field goals to win.

Crompton was drafted but he wasn't good. Getting drafted doesn't make you good... Alex Smith, Jamarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf etc. None of those guys are better than Kurt Warner. The guy that wasn't drafted. Glad you bare the sole responsibility on the coaching staff for not preparing him in the span of a year.

You're crazy if you don't think Florida and Alabama had way more talent than Tennessee. Also, I don't even think you're a Tennessee fan. Pretty sure you're posing as one.

If Crompton had the aptitude to perform but didn't because he wasn't prepared that's the fault of the coaches. If you're the manager at a store and your store sucks because of the failure of it's employees, it's your fault as the manager, even if you didn't hire or train them to begin with. Sorry, that's basic business (which we all know Kiffin treats this as).

People busting in the NFL is also a bad example. You're also crazy if you think Ryan Leaf, Alex Smith, and many other NFL busts weren't good college players. Success in one thing does not necessarily translate to success in another. But that doesn't mean you didn't do well where you were at. Also there's no guarantee yet that Tebow will be an NFL superstar himself.

Saban needed some luck to win a championship. Nearly every championship team does. UT had a lot more luck than 2 blocked field goals from a bum-legged kicker (plausible scenario) to win it's national championship against an inferior opponent in 1998 (arkansas) when the dude busted and dropped the ball when all they had to do was run the clock out (a significantly less likely scenario). So I don't see your point. UT got a lot of respect for playing hard. That's it. You don't get credit for almost winning, you just don't.

As far as attacking my fan-hood for having a different opinion than your own-- that makes you come off as being defensive and lacking valid counter-arguments to what I said. Having to inferentially suggest that I may be a troll to support your theory as to why my arguments are invalid is a coward's way of addressing my material. While it may be the case that I am a troll, personally I'm skeptical about it. I wear an awful lot of Tennessee orange on a daily basis to be a troll. I've grown up a UT fan my entire life. To question me being a fan because I have the audacity to suggest the fallibility of a former coach is a juvenile's defense of their argument. For what it's worth I liked Kiffin's coaching until the Kentucky game.

Just because I'm willing to point out flaws in what both Kiffin and Fulmer did doesn't mean I don't support UT. I'm just pointing out that this board tends to cut off one's hand for stealing and often let the other go with a slap on the wrist. The reason my argument may appear negative is because I'm pointing out the flaws of the program and not the positive gains made during Kiffin's time. Quite frankly that wasn't the argument so it's out of place to mention it. The difference between what I'm doing and what you're doing, most notable, is that I'm breaking down the debate, you're just spinning it.
 
#89
#89
If Crompton had the aptitude to perform but didn't because he wasn't prepared that's the fault of the coaches. If you're the manager at a store and your store sucks because of the failure of it's employees, it's your fault as the manager, even if you didn't hire or train them to begin with. Sorry, that's basic business (which we all know Kiffin treats this as).

People busting in the NFL is also a bad example. You're also crazy if you think Ryan Leaf, Alex Smith, and many other NFL busts weren't good college players. Success in one thing does not necessarily translate to success in another. But that doesn't mean you didn't do well where you were at. Also there's no guarantee yet that Tebow will be an NFL superstar himself.

Saban needed some luck to win a championship. Nearly every championship team does. UT had a lot more luck than 2 blocked field goals from a bum-legged kicker (plausible scenario) to win it's national championship against an inferior opponent in 1998 (arkansas) when the dude busted and dropped the ball when all they had to do was run the clock out (a significantly less likely scenario). So I don't see your point. UT got a lot of respect for playing hard. That's it. You don't get credit for almost winning, you just don't.

As far as attacking my fan-hood for having a different opinion than your own-- that makes you come off as being defensive and lacking valid counter-arguments to what I said. Having to inferentially suggest that I may be a troll to support your theory as to why my arguments are invalid is a coward's way of addressing my material. While it may be the case that I am a troll, personally I'm skeptical about it. I wear an awful lot of Tennessee orange on a daily basis to be a troll. I've grown up a UT fan my entire life. To question me being a fan because I have the audacity to suggest the fallibility of a former coach is a juvenile's defense of their argument. For what it's worth I liked Kiffin's coaching until the Kentucky game.

Just because I'm willing to point out flaws in what both Kiffin and Fulmer did doesn't mean I don't support UT. I'm just pointing out that this board tends to cut off one's hand for stealing and often let the other go with a slap on the wrist. The reason my argument may appear negative is because I'm pointing out the flaws of the program and not the positive gains made during Kiffin's time. Quite frankly that wasn't the argument so it's out of place to mention it. The difference between what I'm doing and what you're doing, most notable, is that I'm breaking down the debate, you're just spinning it.

Nice.

I mean...OUCH.

That's going to leave a mark.
 
#90
#90
As far as attacking my fan-hood for having a different opinion than your own-- that makes you come off as being defensive and lacking valid counter-arguments to what I said. Having to inferentially suggest that I may be a troll to support your theory as to why my arguments are invalid is a coward's way of addressing my material. While it may be the case that I am a troll, personally I'm skeptical about it. I wear an awful lot of Tennessee orange on a daily basis to be a troll. I've grown up a UT fan my entire life. To question me being a fan because I have the audacity to suggest the fallibility of a former coach is a juvenile's defense of their argument. For what it's worth I liked Kiffin's coaching until the Kentucky game.

I didn't question whether you're a fan because of your comments. More so because you've been signed up since January and have all of 15 posts. Seems kind of convenient to come out of the woodwork now. Even more so with fan boy slurping off your every post.
 
#92
#92
I didn't question whether you're a fan because of your comments. More so because you've been signed up since January and have all of 15 posts. Seems kind of convenient to come out of the woodwork now. Even more so with fan boy slurping off your every post.

Its not like you've been registered here half a decade yourself. I've been looking around the boards for a long time, I actually registered only to look at a picture that I had to be registered to view(due to the link), and had no intention of posting at the time.

Perhaps my lack of post count indicates a desire to post only meaningful, well structured and composed forum replies as opposed to posting one-liner quips and leaving random banter requirements for other posters to fulfill. Even then I rarely post unless I'm truly inspired to by the content or the thread or when called out on said posts by another member of the forums.

If we're going to have preposterous requirements for being a fan such as mandatory minimum post-counts before you know what you're talking about and lengthy forum membership for your opinion to matter than we had better inform the offline multitudes of Neyland Stadium and of course, one Bill Haslam, that they are not fans of the University of Tennessee Volunteers football program. Don't you agree?
 
#93
#93
Its not like you've been registered here half a decade yourself. I've been looking around the boards for a long time, I actually registered only to look at a picture that I had to be registered to view(due to the link), and had no intention of posting at the time.

Perhaps my lack of post count indicates a desire to post only meaningful, well structured and composed forum replies as opposed to posting one-liner quips and leaving random banter requirements for other posters to fulfill. Even then I rarely post unless I'm truly inspired to by the content or the thread or when called out on said posts by another member of the forums.

If we're going to have preposterous requirements for being a fan such as mandatory minimum post-counts before you know what you're talking about and lengthy forum membership for your opinion to matter than we had better inform the offline multitudes of Neyland Stadium and of course, one Bill Haslam, that they are not fans of the University of Tennessee Volunteers football program. Don't you agree?

I never said any of that. If you're a Tennessee fan, you're a Tennessee fan. It's not uncommon for fans from other fan bases to pose as Tennessee fans though and generally they are the ones with the low post counts. I apologize for confusing you with a "troll". Thanks for calling me a coward by the way.
 
#94
#94
I never said any of that. If you're a Tennessee fan, you're a Tennessee fan. It's not uncommon for fans from other fan bases to pose as Tennessee fans though and generally they are the ones with the low post counts. I apologize for confusing you with a "troll". Thanks for calling me a coward by the way.


I don't believe I called you a coward I said what you did was cowardly. There is a difference. You stood up for what you thought was correct and what your opinion was and defend it-- that's admirable. Your tactics involved when dealing with me, however, were not.

Jumping to a default and ignorance ridden solution with no basis or pretense during an argument is a very sheepish way of going about presenting your case. I don't take that assessment back.

Either way though apology accepted, in all honesty i really did not intend to start a flame-fest.
 
#95
#95
I'm just wondering what the write up on ESPN will be like.. I'm sure USC will win (even thought I wish the would lose.. I would tend to think that ESPN will spin it like UH is a really good team and USC blew out a really good team....
 
#96
#96
Inferior special teams coaching in the Bama game. That's rich. How'd their dangerous return man do? Did we not recover an onside kick? Daniel Lincoln is awful, our interior line was awful. End of story.
 
#97
#97
I'm just wondering what the write up on ESPN will be like.. I'm sure USC will win (even thought I wish the would lose.. I would tend to think that ESPN will spin it like UH is a really good team and USC blew out a really good team....

Good, back to football! Was getting sick of the pretentious bs. Hopefully Hawaii can keep the score reasonable so ESPN doesn't have much to talk about. Won't be much to praise if Lane and USC win their first game 45-31. I doubt Hawaii can put up 30 points against Monte though. We'll see.
 
#98
#98
Inferior special teams coaching in the Bama game. That's rich. How'd their dangerous return man do? Did we not recover an onside kick? Daniel Lincoln is awful, our interior line was awful. End of story.

So the kicker was bad and the special teams blocking was bad, but the special teams coaching was good. Let me get this right, one mistake that amounted to 0 points but potentially 3 to 7 points nullifies 3 mistakes that removed a potential of 9 points? Not a compelling argument using logic or math. In fact logic says the on-side kick was the exception, not the rule in this case (as it so often is with most on-side kicks). As far as stopping their return men from scoring touchdowns, that's not us being special, that should be a normality --no bonus points there.

Special teams were awful a year ago, it directly cost us a game against Alabama, unless you want to go on the record saying the kicker, his status, and his ability to perform along with the field goal unit line's ability to block and perform is not related to effective special teams management and coaching.
 
Inferior special teams coaching in the Bama game. That's rich. How'd their dangerous return man do? Did we not recover an onside kick? Daniel Lincoln is awful, our interior line was awful. End of story.

I expect the exquisitely coached special teams of usc will neutralize and then dominate the powerful special teams of hawaii based on the imaginary longtime success, unproven experience and self declared intellectual superiority of usc's head coach.
 

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