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Ulysees E. McGill said:
Burning babies...on purpose? Not as collateral fog of war type stuff...on purpose.
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She's sitting atop a dragon spitting fire at everything. She may have known she was killing innocents but she wasn't seeing them. It's easier to kill when you don't see those you're killing.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
Here's why I personally disliked the "how" Dany went full burn 'em all mode. I don't mind that she did it, I expected it...but this is why I don't like execution of it

1. She "snapped" for revenge on Cersei, yet never directly attacked the Red Keep to hit Cersei (why? sloppy writing plot needed Cersei and company to make escape for Hound vs Mountain & Jaime rescue attempt)
2. Why was Cersei given this humanizing moment where she started crying watching her city/people burn (why? D&D have a love affair with the character and despite previous episodes showing her as hard and evil they wanted us to suddenly pull for her to survive?)

That's it, have Dany go straight for the Red Keep and then continue the destruction. You give Cersei a proper on screen death scene and Dany's revenge is gotten. I still don't like she slaughter the innocent people, but I would at least feel slightly different about it as I could see the motivation better. Revenge that bubbled over and she lost control and continued sacking the city.
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Cersei stayed true to her character. She wasn't crying over the city or "her people". She said she wanted her child to live. Cersei has always been about her children and trying to protect them.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
Come on ElGrande..admit it. It is a huuuuge leap from burning rapists, slavers and murderers..even just soldiers to burning babies on purpose. She didn't need to kill everybody in KL just so people will fear her. Hell while she is at it, and since she is all out of giva effs, she should just round up whats left of the women, babies and children and crucify them all along the Kings road just like the slave masters did....that would reeeeaaaaly drive home the point to anybody that didn't catch her drift..that oughta drive home the point some more..I mean hell she was a monster the whole time right, so why not? In for a penny, in for a pound..just kill everybody.
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King's Landing was her Hiroshima and Drogon was the bomb.
 
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Weezer said:
She's sitting atop a dragon spitting fire at everything. She may have known she was killing innocents but she wasn't seeing them. It's easier to kill when you don't see those you're killing.
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One way this could play out is that if she were to express regret? Like it was temporary insanity or something like that? She was still agonizing over a murdered friend and a fuse blew like the guys at My Lai in Vietnam? I don't expect that to be the case and I think she has just turned mad queen for good but that is a somewhat plausible direction they could take it.
 
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Weezer said:
Cersei stayed true to her character. She wasn't crying over the city or "her people". She said she wanted her child to live. Cersei has always been about her children and trying to protect them.
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ON MOTHER'S DAY...D&D are so creative :|
 
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I really hope Tyrion lives, but I could see Bronn killing him, with a crossbow, same way Tyrion killed Tywin. Hopefully not on the toilet if it happens.
 
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#9,607
I remember watching Saving Private Ryan and feeling very sympathetic to the US soldiers who killed Germans that were trying to surrender seconds after dropping the weapons that they just fired in anger. Don't really have a problem with refusing to accept surrender from a guy who just shot your buddy. In King's Landing, I don't know that Dany could differentiate between innocent civilians and foes looking for a chance to lick their wounds and regroup.
 
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An ending that won’t happen but I would be OK with:

After the demonstration of her power and brutality Dany declares an end to the Iron Throne, appoints the rulers of the Seven Kingdoms, then warns that if anyone attempts to ‘rebuild the wheel’ she will return and rain hellfire upon their kingdom.

She leaves a garrison at Dragonstone to maintain a foothold and tripwire in Westeros.

She then departs for Valyria, leaving everyone to sit around and ponder, as the episode ends, just what she is really up to.

After credit scene shows Dany dismounting a just-landed Drogon, standing before some ruins in Valyria, and as the camera angle pulls back the Targaryen sigil is revealed on the building.
 
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Another thing that makes me wonder a little. Tyrion has been pretty bad as Dany's Hand. He's made some bad decisions. I expected more from him.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
I remember watching Saving Private Ryan and feeling very sympathetic to the US soldiers who killed Germans that were trying to surrender seconds after dropping the weapons that they just fired in anger. Don't really have a problem with refusing to accept surrender from a guy who just shot your buddy. In King's Landing, I don't know that Dany could differentiate between innocent civilians and foes looking for a chance to lick their wounds and regroup.
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I think nobody would have blamed her if she went straight for Cersei and set the place on fire-- surrender or no surrender. You can always expect a double cross from Cersei-- didn't show up for the NK fight-- cut her friends head off. Dany just took it too far.
 
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drvenner said:
Another thing that makes me wonder a little. Tyrion has been pretty bad as Dany's Hand. He's made some bad decisions. I expected more from him.
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Tyrion has been dumb for a while. In the last few seasons, it seemed a challenge for them to have a clever Little Finger, Varys, Sansa and Tyrion. Should have picked George RR Martin's brain for help.
 
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Weezer said:
She's sitting atop a dragon spitting fire at everything. She may have known she was killing innocents but she wasn't seeing them. It's easier to kill when you don't see those you're killing.
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That is a very good point. Akin to the pilots that firebombed Dresden.
 
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volinbham said:
When the ashes were falling in KL it looked like snow - thought about Dany's vision in the House of the Undying where the throne room was roasted and "snow" coming down. Could be ashes; could be Jon Snow. Either way, her vision was on point.

Agree with others that we've seen the potential to go ape shizz from her. In Qarth when she was trying to get ships from the rich guy (not the Xaros) she went on and on about her destiny - she's been convinced since early on that the IT was hers and nothing would stop that pursuit. When she was betrayed and "aunt-zoned" (TM GrandVol) by Jon she had nothing left to be the "good" ruler. The 7K would not accept her unless she demonstrated why they must. The destiny + the dragon being awaked (Targaryen temper tantrum) led to the destruction. She went on a binge. It was revenge against Cersei AND the betrayals from Jon, Tyrion, etc.



WILDCARD: Bronn is still mucking about somewhere. Hard to imagine they wrote in him showing up at WF with the crossbow and all his histrionics if he wasn't going to play some role.
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I just think he's going to be King of Highgarden and Gendry will be King of Storm's End.
 
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eVOLve said:
She did help take out villages of innocents. So did tormund.
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Very true. That was a long time ago, I guess that didn't really resonate the same with me the same is because the people of the North and the Wildlings were sworn deadly enemes for eons...it was kind of expected that they would kill each other on sight the way I have I always understood it...but still it is a fair point.
 
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Robyn Arryn as King of The Vale is hilarious..since he is actually Littlefingers kid, that is like a giant middle finger to everybody in Westeros from the grave..lol.
 
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#9,624
Found some quotes defending the episode and Dany's sudden "descent into madness". Per Cosmopolitan:

Emilia Clarke (actress who plays Dany): "Every single thing that's led her to this point, and there she is, alone."

Miguel Sapochnik (director of 'The Bells' episode): "She feels empty. It wasn't what she thought it was. It's not enough."

D.B. Weiss (show creator): "She knows she has won this war. It's in that moment when she makes the decision to make this personal."

David Benioff (show creator): "Ultimately, she is who she is, and that's a Targaryen. She has said repeatedly throughout the show, 'I will take what is mine with fire and blood,' and in this episode, she does it."

I couldn't find anything from George R.R. Martin but when Benioff was asked if Martin had signed off on Dany's story arc, he replied, "Yes."
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Found some quotes defending the episode and Dany's sudden "descent into madness". Per Cosmopolitan:

Emilia Clarke (actress who plays Dany): "Every single thing that's led her to this point, and there she is, alone."

Miguel Sapochnik (director of 'The Bells' episode): "She feels empty. It wasn't what she thought it was. It's not enough."

D.B. Weiss (show creator): "She knows she has won this war. It's in that moment when she makes the decision to make this personal."

David Benioff (show creator): "Ultimately, she is who she is, and that's a Targaryen. She has said repeatedly throughout the show, 'I will take what is mine with fire and blood,' and in this episode, she does it."

I couldn't find anything from George R.R. Martin but when Benioff was asked if Martin had signed off on Dany's story arc, he replied, "Yes."
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Still lazy.
 
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