HBO's True Detective

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MercyPercy said:
It was an occult deal as well as a government cover-up. I'm having a hard time pinpointing your disconnect here.
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Outside of Billy Tuttle, the old Childress and his 3 boys, they have nothing on anybody else. Just 5 dudes. People were thinking it could be Martin's wifes family, kids involved, head of police dept, task force...It's nothing like that. Just 5 inbred dudes getting away with it due to their ability to be near Tuttle schools. That's one way to look at it at least.
I know they assumed Rev Tuttle was involved, and assumed cover ups, and assumed the travelling church was involved, but we end up getting no proof of any of that. And the show is over.

I've read behind the scenes stuff. It just appears to me they put a bunch of possibilities into it and it ends up being some methhead pedos that were victims as kids
 
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possumtownVol said:
It is a great show and left me wanting more There are so many different ways they could go to continue the story
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that's my point. I think they got into it, got rushed, had to finish it and didn't finish as strong as they could. They could've gone several more episodes easily.
jmo.
 
#329
#329
Spartacavolus said:
Outside of Billy Tuttle, the old Childress and his 3 boys, they have nothing on anybody else. Just 5 dudes. People were thinking it could be Martin's wifes family, kids involved, head of police dept, task force...It's nothing like that. Just 5 inbred dudes getting away with it due to their ability to be near Tuttle schools. That's one way to look at it at least.
I know they assumed Rev Tuttle was involved, and assumed cover ups, and assumed the travelling church was involved, but we end up getting no proof of any of that. And the show is over.

I've read behind the scenes stuff. It just appears to me they put a bunch of possibilities into it and it ends up being some methhead pedos that were victims as kids
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Although it's true they have no evidence on the rest of the family, it's fairly obvious and heavily implied that the Tuttles and their connected families (childress') are all involved. In the video, there were multiple people in masks. It wasn't just the Meth heads and Errol. There is nothing at all that indicates that. The task force was an effort to steer attention away from Errol. The Marty family involvement stuff was obviously incorrect, but the Tuttle family/government cover-up connections are all there. I think your issue is the lack of closure in the end by not catching all the bad guys, but again, that was addressed in the episode. It's the reality of the world we live in. The guys with power are hard, sometimes impossible, to nail.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
that's my point. I think they got into it, got rushed, had to finish it and didn't finish as strong as they could. They could've gone several more episodes easily.
jmo.
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There are often times where shows are rushed to finish for one reason or another and the quality suffers. And we know when and why it happens.

There is nothing indicating that is the case here. It was always planned to be an eight episode season.
 
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#331
I understand you guys' points. I'm just not sure you aren't assuming things about gov't, etc. I mean, what group of people would leave those 3 guys in charge of anything, except for their backwards ass pedo dads.

I think their reference to not catching "all of them" means all child killers. If they didn't feel like they got the guys doing the killing on their cases, they wouldn't walk away, but there is nowhere else to go. Billy, Sam, and now their 3 kids are all dead, so they close the cases.
 
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#332
This was an excellent season and MM should win an emmy for his role. I wonder how much different next season will be with a whole new cast.
 
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#333
Spartacavolus said:
I understand you guys' points. I'm just not sure you aren't assuming things about gov't, etc. I mean, what group of people would leave those 3 guys in charge of anything, except for their backwards ass pedo dads.

I think their reference to not catching "all of them" means all child killers. If they didn't feel like they got the guys doing the killing on their cases, they wouldn't walk away, but there is nowhere else to go. Billy, Sam, and now their 3 kids are all dead, so they close the cases.
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I have a hard time believing that you don't think the rest of the family was involved. That's pretty much canon.
 
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#334
I liked the part where Rust was telling the sheriff about he had made copies of the tape and would send them out if anything happened to him or Marty. And usually in shows they just tell the person that to scare them but he did make copies and had them ready to mail. The part with the sniper was funny as well. Rust is a crazy dude.
 
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#335
n_huffhines said:
Thanks

I don't think you need to worry about spoilers. People who haven't watched the finale should not venture into this thread.
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Yeah if you come in a thread of a show you're not caught up on there's your on fault. For instance I still haven't watched TWD yet so I've avoided that thread today.
 
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MercyPercy said:
I have a hard time believing that you don't think the rest of the family was involved. That's pretty much canon.
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The rev? I think we are supposed to assume that. I see it from the other angle in that its the crazy cousins or uncles that nobody wants to talk about. Rev isn't all cracked out. Dudes pulling that stuff off were whacko inbreeds. Hell, scar man getting tit from his messed up sister ain't cool.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
The rev? I think we are supposed to assume that. I see it from the other angle in that its the crazy cousins or uncles that nobody wants to talk about. Rev isn't all cracked out. Dudes pulling that stuff off were whacko inbreeds. Hell, scar man getting tit from his messed up sister ain't cool.
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I'll just say that this opinion is in the minority lol.
 
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MercyPercy said:
I'll just say that this opinion is in the minority lol.
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Not sure why an lol but that's fine. I often have a different opinion. I dont think 3 inbred methheads would be put in charge of anything that was a big cover up or conspiracy. That seems absurd, especially something the govt or politicians are involved in. We were led to believe that's the case. Its fine to still assume, but your assumption is based on possibilities and nothing really more. Nothing ever led anywhere except to Billy Tuttle and the 3 boys, along with their dad.
My opinion is based on what actually happened and the cases being closed. That's all. We could still assume the task force was in it if we want to. Or Marty's daughter, or fil, or the boss who put Cohle on leave, or the supernatural, or the preacher, or the governor. You can assume anything you wish. I guess that's a good way to end it.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
Not sure why an lol but that's fine. I often have a different opinion. I dont think 3 inbred methheads would be put in charge of anything that was a big cover up or conspiracy. That seems absurd, especially something the govt or politicians are involved in. We were led to believe that's the case. Its fine to still assume, but your assumption is based on possibilities and nothing really more. Nothing ever led anywhere except to Billy Tuttle and the 3 boys, along with their dad.
My opinion is based on what actually happened and the cases being closed. That's all. We could still assume the task force was in it if we want to. Or Marty's daughter, or fil, or the boss who put Cohle on leave, or the supernatural, or the preacher, or the governor. You can assume anything you wish. I guess that's a good way to end it.
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I loved the first 7 episodes, but I gotta agree with you here. The finale seemed a little far fetched for me to believe as well. It seemed that the series was very rushed in the last episode. I was hoping that they could pull it off like BB did in its finale, but in the end I think they failed.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
Not sure why an lol but that's fine. I often have a different opinion. I dont think 3 inbred methheads would be put in charge of anything that was a big cover up or conspiracy. That seems absurd, especially something the govt or politicians are involved in. We were led to believe that's the case. Its fine to still assume, but your assumption is based on possibilities and nothing really more. Nothing ever led anywhere except to Billy Tuttle and the 3 boys, along with their dad.
My opinion is based on what actually happened and the cases being closed. That's all. We could still assume the task force was in it if we want to. Or Marty's daughter, or fil, or the boss who put Cohle on leave, or the supernatural, or the preacher, or the governor. You can assume anything you wish. I guess that's a good way to end it.
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If you've been following the show from the beginning and paying attention, you know I'm not making assumptions. The writing of the show directly implies the family connection. You're stuck on the three Hicks being in "charge", but the only thing they were really in charge of was procuring the children for the rituals. The old black lady revealed a lot about how messed up the family was, and how carcosa is an old family Concept.

If you honestly think the only ones involved in the "cult" were Ted Childress, Reggie, dewall, Errol, and Reverend tuttle, that's certainly your prerogative to do so. But you're willfully dismissing the writing of Nic P. and an major discussion about not getting all the bad guys in the finale. All the hints and clues point to the higher up family members being involved. The pictures and video of multiple people in masks. Plus the Turtle family denying the connection on the news. Plus the childress officer involved in getting rid of the Meth head in jail. Plus the school system.

Your theory is just a strange and unsupported idea according to most everyone who's watched and analyzed the show every week since it began.
 
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MercyPercy said:
If you've been following the show from the beginning and paying attention, you know I'm not making assumptions. The writing of the show directly implies the family connection. You're stuck on the three Hicks being in "charge", but the only thing they were really in charge of was procuring the children for the rituals. The old black lady revealed a lot about how messed up the family was, and how carcosa is an old family Concept.

If you honestly think the only ones involved in the "cult" were Ted Childress, Reggie, dewall, Errol, and Reverend tuttle, that's certainly your prerogative to do so. But you're willfully dismissing the writing of Nic P. and an major discussion about not getting all the bad guys in the finale. All the hints and clues point to the higher up family members being involved. The pictures and video of multiple people in masks. Plus the Turtle family denying the connection on the news. Plus the childress officer involved in getting rid of the Meth head in jail. Plus the school system.

Your theory is just a strange and unsupported idea according to most everyone who's watched and analyzed the show every week since it began.
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This!!
 
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So what I'm not looking at it as a huge conspiracy from top to bottom as most of you. Why don't you get a little more butthurt about it.

Or maybe I'm part of the conspiracy to keep govt put of it.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
So what I'm not looking at it as a huge conspiracy from top to bottom as most of you. Why don't you get a little more butthurt about it.

Or maybe I'm part of the conspiracy to keep govt put of it.
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I'm not butthurt, I'm just trying to help you understand the writer's intent. Not trying to chew your throat out.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
I understand you guys' points. I'm just not sure you aren't assuming things about gov't, etc. I mean, what group of people would leave those 3 guys in charge of anything, except for their backwards ass pedo dads.

I think their reference to not catching "all of them" means all child killers. If they didn't feel like they got the guys doing the killing on their cases, they wouldn't walk away, but there is nowhere else to go. Billy, Sam, and now their 3 kids are all dead, so they close the cases.
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When Rust mentioned "not catching all of them" and Marty agreed they were definitely just talking about the case. They certainly didn't expect to catch every child killer in America. The Tuttles were definitely involved, they may have gotten out of it earlier than 2012 but they were definitely guilty.

Spartacavolus said:
she was full blown man. Not half anything
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She was a half sister, they even said that in the show.

GBO18 said:
I liked the part where Rust was telling the sheriff about he had made copies of the tape and would send them out if anything happened to him or Marty. And usually in shows they just tell the person that to scare them but he did make copies and had them ready to mail. The part with the sniper was funny as well. Rust is a crazy dude.
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Yeah, he mailed all that out anyway.
 
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