Head to head , I am taking Bama against Georgia

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Atlanta917 said:
Atlanta is a transplant city. I’d agree about recruits from Athens being inundated with Georgia fans, but not Atlanta. Atlanta is pretty varied when it comes to fanbases. You’ll find tons of auburn, Bama, Tennessee, Clemson, and UF fans.
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It's a UGA town, always has been, with those other schools sprinkled in. You do notice Auburn here and there in ATL, but it's a distant #2 to UGA. And those ATL suburbs, where most of the Metro Atlanta talent comes from, are very solid UGA.
 
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05_never_again said:
It's a UGA town, always has been, with those other schools sprinkled in. You do notice Auburn here and there in ATL, but it's a distant #2 to UGA. And those ATL suburbs, where most of the Metro Atlanta talent comes from, are very solid UGA.
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I agree there is a UGA majority, but you see a ton of other fans here. With Atlanta being a transplant city, a lot of families have zero ties to UGA.

Anyway, I think I kind of steered the conversation off topic lol. I do agree that UGA should have more titles. I’m just not sure recruiting is the reason why they don’t. It’s not like Richt wasn’t recruiting well. It was more so of there always being a better team when he had his best.
 
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Atlanta917 said:
I agree there is a UGA majority, but you see a ton of other fans here. With Atlanta being a transplant city, a lot of families have zero ties to UGA.

Anyway, I think I kind of steered the conversation off topic lol. I do agree that UGA should have more titles. I’m just not sure recruiting is the reason why they don’t. It’s not like Richt wasn’t recruiting well. It was more so of there always being a better team when he had his best.
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Recruiting most definitely is not the reason you don't - that's a huge part of the reason you should have more.

The biggest reason UGA doesn't have a title since 1980 is coaching and institutional support.
 
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05_never_again said:
Recruiting most definitely is not the reason you don't - that's a huge part of the reason you should have more.

The biggest reason UGA doesn't have a title since 1980 is coaching and institutional support.
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I think institutional support was an issue for Richt, but Saban’s been the main roadblock. It comes back to UGA trying to be good when the GOAT is in the SEC. A kid isn’t going to turn down Saban just because he has to drive an extra hour to get to campus the first time.
 
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If Bama wins the SECCG, then there is a good chance they have to beat them twice. That is really tough to do.

**UPDATE** sorry did not see this had already been covered.
 
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Atlanta917 said:
I think institutional support was an issue for Richt, but Saban’s been the main roadblock. It comes back to UGA trying to be good when the GOAT is in the SEC. A kid isn’t going to turn down Saban just because he has to drive an extra hour to get to campus the first time.
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Saban hasn't been able to stymie Auburn, LSU, or Florida from winning a title though. They're not in the SEC, but Clemson has beaten Alabama twice when given the chance to in a championship game. Ohio St also knocked off Saban on their way to a title.

I'm not saying UGA should be winning as many titles as Saban or anything like that, and yes, Saban is the GOAT, but saying UGA hasn't won a title because of him I think is an excuse that doesn't really hold up.
 
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05_never_again said:
Saban hasn't been able to stymie Auburn, LSU, or Florida from winning a title though. They're not in the SEC, but Clemson has beaten Alabama twice when given the chance to in a championship game. Ohio St also knocked off Saban on their way to a title.

I'm not saying UGA should be winning as many titles as Saban or anything like that, and yes, Saban is the GOAT, but saying UGA hasn't won a title because of him I think is an excuse that doesn't really hold up.
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I’m not saying Saban is the only reason, just a main contributing factor. still, had those schools not had a generational QB, it’s likely Saban takes theirs too. It took Trevor Lawrence and Deshaun Watson for Clemson to get theirs, Cam Newton for auburn, and the greatest OC/QB combo in ncaa history for lsu. I think it’s safe to say multiple schools would have more championships without Saban. It’ll be interesting to see who fills the power vacuum when he’s gone. I’d assume we can both agree on that.
 
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Atlanta917 said:
I’m not saying Saban is the only reason, just a main contributing factor. still, had those schools not had a generational QB, it’s likely Saban takes theirs too. It took Trevor Lawrence and Deshaun Watson for Clemson to get theirs, Cam Newton for auburn, and the greatest OC/QB combo in ncaa history for lsu. I think it’s safe to say multiple schools would have more championships without Saban. It’ll be interesting to see who fills the power vacuum when he’s gone. I’d assume we can both agree on that.
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UGA might have had one in Justin Fields, but he left. Never know. And that decision is ultimately on coaching.
 
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05_never_again said:
UGA might have had one in Justin Fields, but he left. Never know. And that decision is ultimately on coaching.
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If Fields was in the same stratosphere as the QB’s mentioned, he would’ve won one. Cam Newton carried that auburn team by himself and Burrow had the greatest season in ncaa history. In Fromm’s last game against bama he put up 300+ and 3 touchdowns in a run first offense. Fields put up 190 and 1 touchdown in an offense tailored to him. I’m not sure less production from the QB is what UGA needed to beat bama.
 
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Atlanta917 said:
If Fields was in the same stratosphere as the QB’s mentioned, he would’ve won one. Cam Newton carried that auburn team by himself and Burrow had the greatest season in ncaa history. In Fromm’s last game against bama he put up 300+ and 3 touchdowns in a run first offense. Fields put up 190 and 1 touchdown in an offense tailored to him. I’m not sure less production from the QB is what UGA needed to beat bama.
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Ohio St wasn't beating Alabama that night anyway. They allowed 52 points.

The point is that other elite teams have found a way to do it and UGA hasn't.
 
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05_never_again said:
Ohio St wasn't beating Alabama that night anyway. They allowed 52 points.

The point is that other elite teams have found a way to do it and UGA hasn't.
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lol but you just said Fields could’ve been that generational QB… Bama had a massive lead on Auburn and Cam Newton willed his team to win. Burrow traded blows with bama and willed his way to win. If we’re being objective, if fields couldn’t do it in an offense built for him, he definitely wasn’t doing it in a James Coley offense.

I agree that UGA hasn’t been elite. They’ve been good to great, but never elite. And that’s probably the simplest way to explain the lack of championships.
 
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05_never_again said:
UGA is UF's daddy? UGA has only a 9 or 10 game lead (depending on whose count you pick) in a matchup that has been played 100 times, and in the modern era of the sport (post-integration) UF has the upper hand. Even when you include Dooley's dominance in the series in the 70s and 80s. Post-integration, UF is the better program, and especially since 1990 UF is the better program.

I certainly wouldn't say that UGA has no tradition or culture (especially culture; Athens is about as culturally-rich of a little town you'll see). I would say that for a program of its caliber, UGA is kind of lacking in terms of hardware, particularly in terms of national titles and conference titles.

UGA should probably have more hardware than a program like Tennessee, but for whatever reason you don't, and that's with Tennessee being a black hole of suck for the last decade plus.
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Once again, UF from 1990-2010 owned the series. Before and after, UGA is their daddy. We’re going to own them for the next decade. They’re just now entering their Goff years. They are utterly devoid of talent. It’ll take years to dig out of the hole they are in, longer if Mullen stays.

As for UT, you don’t want to hear this but we will pass y’all at this rate. The all-time series is now led by us and we’re breathing down your neck in all-time wins.
 
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OklahomaDawg said:
Once again, UF from 1990-2010 owned the series. Before and after, UGA is their daddy. We’re going to own them for the next decade. They’re just now entering their Goff years. They are utterly devoid of talent. It’ll take years to dig out of the hole they are in, longer if Mullen stays.

As for UT, you don’t want to hear this but we will pass y’all at this rate. The all-time series is now led by us and we’re breathing down your neck in all-time wins.
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You're doing so good, Georgia!...You're gonna finally get that championship!...Smart is a big time winner, hes definitely a huge improvement over Richt! *Pats Georgia fan on the head, reassures them that Georgia is a big boy in college football*
 
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OklahomaDawg said:
Once again, UF from 1990-2010 owned the series. Before and after, UGA is their daddy. We’re going to own them for the next decade. They’re just now entering their Goff years. They are utterly devoid of talent. It’ll take years to dig out of the hole they are in, longer if Mullen stays.

As for UT, you don’t want to hear this but we will pass y’all at this rate. The all-time series is now led by us and we’re breathing down your neck in all-time wins.
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lol

So when you ignore a 20-year time period right smack dab in the middle of the modern era where UF totally dominated (and also won 3 national titles), you "own" them. The only reason you have a 10 game lead in this 100-year series with them is because UGA dominated in the 30s and 40s, and also back in the early 1900s when it wasn't even played every year. (and the state of Florida was swampland where nobody lived). I mean, yes, those games did happen, but you're having to go back that far to get to your 10 game edge over them all-time.

Dooley did have a good run against UF from 1971 until 1989, but it was not as dominant as the Spurrier/Zook/Urban run from 1990 to 2010. UGA is quite far away from being UF's daddy.
 
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05_never_again said:
lol

So when you ignore a 20-year time period right smack dab in the middle of the modern era where UF totally dominated (and also won 3 national titles), you "own" them. The only reason you have a 10 game lead in this 100-year series with them is because UGA dominated in the 30s and 40s, and also back in the early 1900s when it wasn't even played every year. (and the state of Florida was swampland where nobody lived). I mean, yes, those games did happen, but you're having to go back that far to get to your 10 game edge over them all-time.

Dooley did have a good run against UF from 1971 until 1989, but it was not as dominant as the Spurrier/Zook/Urban run from 1990 to 2010. UGA is quite far away from being UF's daddy.
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Also, the only coach to ever win a national championship at Georgia, the "legendary" Vince Dooley, was a decidedly average coach who had a few decent/good seasons and one magical season with a transcendent freshman running back.
 
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I Do Not Bet on sports, so I am an outside observer, but i have seen enough of georgia daring alabama. Give me alabama. Georgia jaws too big.
 
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Sub Par SUPERSTAR said:
Also, the only coach to ever win a national championship at Georgia, the "legendary" Vince Dooley, was a decidedly average coach who had a few decent/good seasons and one magical season with a transcendent freshman running back.
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That's another really interesting thing as well. I've always thought one way you can really tell the historical standing of a program is by how good the best coach in school history was. Dooley did win a title and ended up with 201 career wins, but his career winning percentage (.698) kind of leaves something to be desired when you're talking about a HOF coach.

In 13 of his 24 seasons, UGA finished the season unranked (54% of the time). That just seems high for a "legendary" coach...over half of the seasons he was there, UGA wasn't even a top 25 team.

While I certainly wouldn't say Dooley was an "average" coach, he doesn't really rank among the all-time greats. I wouldn't even consider him to be a better coach than somebody like Fulmer. Dooley had more longevity, but Fulmer was more consistent and had a much higher winning percentage.
 
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05_never_again said:
That's another really interesting thing as well. I've always thought one way you can really tell the historical standing of a program is by how good the best coach in school history was. Dooley did win a title and ended up with 201 career wins, but his career winning percentage (.698) kind of leaves something to be desired when you're talking about a HOF coach.

In 13 of his 24 seasons, UGA finished the season unranked (54% of the time). That just seems high for a "legendary" coach...over half of the seasons he was there, UGA wasn't even a top 25 team.

While I certainly wouldn't say Dooley was an "average" coach, he doesn't really rank among the all-time greats. I wouldn't even consider him to be a better coach than somebody like Fulmer. Dooley had more longevity, but Fulmer was more consistent and had a much higher winning percentage.
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Fulmer, even with the late career slide, was twice the coach Dooley was.
 
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OklahomaDawg said:
Once again, UF from 1990-2010 owned the series. Before and after, UGA is their daddy. We’re going to own them for the next decade. They’re just now entering their Goff years. They are utterly devoid of talent. It’ll take years to dig out of the hole they are in, longer if Mullen stays.

As for UT, you don’t want to hear this but we will pass y’all at this rate. The all-time series is now led by us and we’re breathing down your neck in all-time wins.
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NOTICE ME!!! NOTICE ME!!!!

ISN'T UGA JUST THE GREATEST????

All on an opposing fan board. LMAO.

Constant passive aggressiveness and need for affirmation. A truly uga-fan phenomenon.
 
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Coddlecreek1 said:
Uga will be stymied on offense….any thoughts
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Without JT Daniels at QB, I'm afraid you might be right. Stetson is just struggling to see open receivers and his accuracy is not great. Missed several throws last weekend and was way off target on several more that were caught. The mobility is helpful but against Bama's defense it won't make a big difference. If Stetson plays against Bama like he did in the first half last Saturday, we'll be losing by 20 at half time.

Not sure what the problem has been with JT (or Kirby or whoever), but if Daniels doesn't get the job back the offense won't get it done against playoff quality teams IMO.
 
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DawgInterloper said:
Without JT Daniels at QB, I'm afraid you might be right. Stetson is just struggling to see open receivers and his accuracy is not great. Missed several throws last weekend and was way off target on several more that were caught. The mobility is helpful but against Bama's defense it won't make a big difference. If Stetson plays against Bama like he did in the first half last Saturday, we'll be losing by 20 at half time.

Not sure what the problem has been with JT (or Kirby or whoever), but if Daniels doesn't get the job back the offense won't get it done against playoff quality teams IMO.
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Excellent feedback
 
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