Heisman Trophy

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UTK said:
I think he’ll get an invite. It’s clear Williams that will win though.
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Who then? Not an advocate for Williams at all, but there's a clear lack of viable candidates this year beyond Williams and Hooker.
 
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JoAllan said:
Others have added to their stats, their wins and everything in between.

Hooker went down. His team was losing badly and lost badly. He has no chance to add anything to his resume, while others did and some will continue next week and even into the bowl.

While voting will end, those players will still be guiding their teams.

Hooker might get an invite however he won’t win. If he were miles ahead when he went down and Tennessee has beaten SC maybe…….but that wasn’t the case. In fact at the time he was 2nd in the odds.

Not going to go from 2nd in the odds to winning with no chance of playing further.
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I don't think anyone is arguing that Hooker should win the damn thing, at least that wasn't the intention of my OP. I get the fact that he couldn't win it after SC, but to not simply get an invite after the season he had, essentially being the face of CFB for much of the season, would be a disgrace.
 
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livefaith said:
Two reasons OP. 1.He's a Vol 2.There is no award for potential

That said, the sooner you learn that it is a corrupt media popularity award, the better. The only reason I wanted HH to win was for the $$$ that would come his way. There is almost nothing objective about it . Nearly pure hype.
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You aren't teaching me any lessons about the corruption and despicable nature of the media, no one has more contempt for them than I do. Trust me, I hold no illusions about this award or anything else with regard to what drives everything in pro or college sports today.

I'd like to see Hooker get an invite as a finalist just for some recognition to what a remarkable season he had, no more and no less. His financial future will be fine one way or another, as a kid with his work ethic and faith is not someone we need to worry about. As far as the Vol comment, that's just pure BVS.
 
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sami said:
Someone needs to explain to me why a guy who was among the 2-3 favorites all season, put up ridiculous numbers, was instrumental in resurrecting a football program, and missed only one game is now eliminated from consideration because he suffered an injury. If Hendon Hooker doesn't at the very least get an invite to NYC the whole thing is a complete joke.

Who gets to go to New York? Caleb Williams, okay, he's your winner at this point. But who beyond that? The kid from North Carolina? The TCU QB? I mean, seriously, is there anyone that would have touched Hooker had he not gotten hurt? And yet I keep reading that he 'lost his Heisman chance' with the injury. Ridiculous.
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No, and as far as I am concerned, there isn't anyone touching him now.
 
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joevol33 said:
That's a fair point as well, heck, Florida beat Utah. I sincerely don't think the voters look at body of work, as much as it's a popularity contest. A few weeks ago all the commentators were talking Stroud and Hooker, that was the two guys everyone said were going to win. Now that USC is in the playoff mix, and an old media darling, their QB suddenly is the favorite.
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That pretty much nails it. The bottom line is any time the media is involved in awards of any kind, it's generally a joke due to pettiness, ignorance, politics, and who provides them access. The primary reason that all the halls of fame have become running jokes is because it is the media that does the voting, and they all have their favorites and axes to grind.
 
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IndianaVol said:
Don't they typically invite four?
If so, it'll be Hooker, Corum, Williams, and either Stroud or Maye.
Williams will win.
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And that would be acceptable. Williams is the flavor of the week, and that's the way these things are done, but Hooker should at least be invited to the party.
 
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MinisterofDef#92 said:
I agree wholeheartedly but if you didn't know they Heisman was a complete joke after Manning was snubbed for Woodson then I don't know what to tell you.
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I'll say this once more - I hold no illusions about the Heisman or any other award where the media is involved in picking winners. Peyton is one of an endless number of travesties over the years in picking Heisman winners, Hall of Fame inductees, and on and on.

I just want Hooker to get the honor of an invite to NYC for the ceremony. He earned that at the very least.
 
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sami said:
I'll say this once more - I hold no illusions about the Heisman or any other award where the media is involved in picking winners. Peyton is one of an endless number of travesties over the years in picking Heisman winners, Hall of Fame inductees, and on and on.

I just want Hooker to get the honor of an invite to NYC for the ceremony. He earned that at the very least.
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They invite the top vote getters. Where they cut off they invite list varies each year. So if Hooker is in the top 3 or 4 in votes he will get invited.
 
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Vanhalo said:
Sorry I am not fitting in with your hubris.

Just keeping it real.
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Keeping it real is what people say when they are being a d!ck.

Citing Hooker’s #s is not hubris, it’s a reasonable argument, but the Heisman has been a high school popularity contest for a while.
 
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sami said:
Who then? Not an advocate for Williams at all, but there's a clear lack of viable candidates this year beyond Williams and Hooker.
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How many get invited? 4 or 5? I’d guess Ohio States QB and TCUs QB get an invite as well
 
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chattaboogie said:
I’d be really surprised if he got an invite. It’d be great and he deserves it but everyone outside of UT fans have basically forgotten him already. Stroud and Williams take two spots. The other two likely to be Duggan and Stetson Bennett 🤢🤮. And I’d expect them to rush Bryce Young into the race before inviting an injured Hendon coming off USC and not far removed from UGA.
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I could live with Young, as he's the best player in CFB, but Duggan would be a joke, and f***king Stetson Bennett would be the biggest joke of all. If Duggan has a good game this week, I'd expect him the be the third guy, and then it comes down to who fills the fourth seat.

The more I think about it, as much as it pisses me off I find myself agreeing with you.
 
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chattaboogie said:
I’d say because every Heisman race is unique. Don’t think trying to compare RG3 or Johnny Manziel to Hooker is quite apples to apples, though everyone loves to cherry-pick anomalies to bolster arguments. Take off the orange glasses and it’s fair to say Hooker was 80% done after the Georgia game. Had he beaten USC and not gotten hurt, all things stay the same with Stroud and OSU, and Caleb Williams not beat UCLA the way he did he likely pulls it off.
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I wasn't making any statement with orange tinted glasses. I agree that Hooker isn't going to win, probably never was. I'm confused how some of you can't understand the question, has nothing to do with cherry picking anything. Someone made a claim that because Hooker had two losses, there was zero chance he wins. All I asked, which was confusing, is what just Hooker, because several winners have had 2 losses, I know one winner had 3. Maybe I'm asking wrong, but I didn't understand someone saying you can't win with two losses, when it's literally happened. Not cherry picking, not wearing tinted anything, but if you make that statement, you should back up how others have won what you're claiming is impossible. That's what I was asking.
 
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It would be nice to see Hooker, Corum and a couple of others get invitations as say an "honorable mention" recognition.

That said, I could not care less about the "Hypesman" trophy... Healthy or not Hooker never had a chance to win because of the way it's voted on. If Div I coaches voted for the winner, I might have a bit more respect for it.
 
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m1al said:
It would be nice to see Hooker, Corum and a couple of others get invitations as say an "honorable mention" recognition.

That said, I could not care less about the "Hypesman" trophy... Healthy or not Hooker never had a chance to win because of the way it's voted on. If Div I coaches voted for the winner, I might have a bit more respect for it.
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Not necessarily, because coaches have their own axes to grind, and the weekly coaches poll routinely shows that. They don't see nearly enough of games out of their own conferences to be fair judges anyway.

That said, my contempt level for coaches is far less than it is for the media.
 
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djwes said:
Keeping it real is what people say when they are being a d!ck.

Citing Hooker’s #s is not hubris, it’s a reasonable argument, but the Heisman has been a high school popularity contest for a while.
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in context to what I responded to…I was referring to the offense people take on comments because of excessive pride in the face of obvious player and team failures.

We lost to GA (badly…you know it regardless of the score) and SC (very badly) …the same reasons they frowned on Hooker in GA carried over to SC. Both games showcased his weaknesses.

This isn’t my opinion. This is what is being said in the college football and betting media.

What Hendon Hooker injury means for Heisman Trophy odds

I like Hooker. I wanted him to win or be runner up after GA.

He isn’t even on the list now.
 
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I mean are we seriously that jaded over him not getting an invite? Don’t get me wrong I wish he could’ve stayed healthy and won the award but I could care less about him being a finalist for that BS award.
 
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sami said:
Someone needs to explain to me why a guy who was among the 2-3 favorites all season, put up ridiculous numbers, was instrumental in resurrecting a football program, and missed only one game is now eliminated from consideration because he suffered an injury. If Hendon Hooker doesn't at the very least get an invite to NYC the whole thing is a complete joke.

Who gets to go to New York? Caleb Williams, okay, he's your winner at this point. But who beyond that? The kid from North Carolina? The TCU QB? I mean, seriously, is there anyone that would have touched Hooker had he not gotten hurt? And yet I keep reading that he 'lost his Heisman chance' with the injury. Ridiculous.
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Ding!Ding!Ding! We have a winner!
 
#71
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sami said:
Not necessarily, because coaches have their own axes to grind, and the weekly coaches poll routinely shows that. They don't see nearly enough of games out of their own conferences to be fair judges anyway.

That said, my contempt level for coaches is far less than it is for the media.
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You must really hate coaches then because the media, as a whole, SUCKS BALLS!
 
#73
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sami said:
I don't think anyone is arguing that Hooker should win the damn thing, at least that wasn't the intention of my OP. I get the fact that he couldn't win it after SC, but to not simply get an invite after the season he had, essentially being the face of CFB for much of the season, would be a disgrace.
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I stated in my response that Hooker might still get an invitation.

However there are guys still playing and adding that “could” bump Hooker……….that would be the only reason.
 
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