Helton hired at WKU per Price

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BeardedVol said:
So if Helton's offense works in conference-USA, he's vindicated for it not working at UT?
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Didn't mean it exactly like that, just some thought talent wasn't the problem for us. We just haven't had the players to compete with the big dogs. Despite countless posts stating otherwise.
 
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White Bread said:
I'm willing to bet my left nut that his offense at WKU will set records....just the way the cookie crumbles for us.
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He will probably do that but doing it in the sunbelt or whatever conf. it is vs doing it in the SEC is two difference things.Let WKU play 8 SEC teams and he will make WKU offense look just like he made Tn offense look like,
 
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I have no idea whether Helton was a cause or not of our offensive woes. I suspect it was a combo of Helton's style not matching CJP's, hence constant friction, a lack of developed talent upon his arrival, and a failure to develop the talent that is here.

I wish him luck at WKU.

And I hope Pruitt realizes this next hire is the hire that is the most critical of his entire career, and may determine his future success at UT and beyond. DON'T SCREW THIS UP.
 
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tnvols72 said:
He will probably do that but doing it in the sunbelt or whatever conf. it is vs doing it in the SEC is two difference things.Let WKU play 8 SEC teams and he will make WKU offense look just like he made Tn offense look like,
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That is a false premise. Coaches have to recruit to the conference talent level no matter the scheme. We will never know what his offense would have looked like with a few years of supporting recruiting.
 
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Even if CJP and Phil wanted Kiffin, he wouldn't come here. He's not leaving a head coach position for an OC position
 
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BeardedVol said:
So if Helton's offense works in conference-USA, he's vindicated for it not working at UT?
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I don't think we can credibly say it "didn't work" at UT. It never had a chance, no one, no one can scheme around no pass blocking and no run blocking, and that's something he inherited. The jury was still out on Helton as an SEC offensive coordinator. Someone obviously thought something of him at WKU.
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
I don't think we can credibly say it "didn't work" at UT. It never had a chance, no one, no one can scheme around no pass blocking and no run blocking, and that's something he inherited. The jury was still out on Helton as an SEC offensive coordinator. Someone obviously thought something of him at WKU.
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It's speculation at best. I just don't think there's any credence to saying that if he finds success at WKU, then he would have been successful at UT over time.
 
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BeardedVol said:
It's speculation at best. I just don't think there's any credence to saying that if he finds success at WKU, then he would have been successful at UT over time.
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I agree, that's why I said the jury is still out on whether or not he could be a good SEC coordinator, I just don't think we can say definitively that he was not capable of being a quality SEC coordinator either based on this year. The bottom line is our offensive line outside of Trey Smith are atrocious. If we had an average SEC OL, we would have had a shot at 7-5 or 8-4, but it was Chinese fire drill anytime our QB's dropped back to pass, our RB's were having to dodge people in the backfield on the regular. It was really awful and embarrassing considering some of the great lines this program has had in the past, and it was definitely a personnel problem. You can call plays to protect a so-so QB, you can call plays if you are stronger in the backfield than at receiver and vice versa but if you can't block anybody, you are going to have problems no matter what you try.
 
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I dont get all the Freeze talk. Was it not reported that Saban wanted him on his staff, but Sankey stepped in and blocked it? I mran if the SEC would not let Saban and Bama do something, what could possibly make the conference say it was ok for anyone else...
 
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HUGE! People don’t realize we’d by far have the best coaching staff if this happens. Pruitt isn’t stupid, he knows this. I’d say he’s give up his ground and pound for this.
 
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VolInNW said:
I have no idea whether Helton was a cause or not of our offensive woes. I suspect it was a combo of Helton's style not matching CJP's, hence constant friction, a lack of developed talent upon his arrival, and a failure to develop the talent that is here.

I wish him luck at WKU.

And I hope Pruitt realizes this next hire is the hire that is the most critical of his entire career, and may determine his future success at UT and beyond. DON'T SCREW THIS UP.
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Yes he was! Play calling was horrid for the most part!
 
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Fulmer hates Kiffin. He's not coming back. TBH they should have given him another go before hiring an unproven coach. I have JP can pull it off, but I have my doubts. If you cannot motivate the players, then they haven't bought in. Huge difference is fighting like heck and losing, to seeing a team look unprepared and ready for the game to be over with.
 
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I feel like we should do some sort of group project to show our gratitude for WKU taking this guy off our hands, and saving us $2.4 million. Donations to their athletic organization? A nice gift basket? WKU Appreciation Day at the stadium next year?

ETA: Helton may be considered a good coach by many, but there is no denying that - when left on his own with full responsibility for the first time - his game planning and use of personnel was AWFUL. Clearly in over his head, but HEY WKU DON'T LET THAT DISCOURAGE YOU FROM PROMOTING HIM ASAP...
 
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