Here Comes the Recession

[Orange_Crush]

One week though.

Again... What did you expect? Employers to pay their staff to sit home for an indefinite amt of time? You close up, you lay off. You get laid off, you file for unemployment.

 

[Velo Vol]

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

I remember that but don’t know the backstory. What the hell prompted them to destroy the mfg tools and jigs for one of the most popular aircraft they had with their customers?!

Bankruptcies of the mid 2000s of everybody except LUV. They went in on that God awful 737 and just stretched it. It doesn't have the performance of a 757 and never will. (I have 5000 hours in 737s and 10,000 in the 75/767 fwiw)

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Fedex was offered new 757’s at cost just so Boeing could keep the assembly line open, so the rumor goes.

I remember going to a meeting with some of the network planners and operations guys about 20 or so years ago and someone asked the question: If you could buy any airplane you wanted, what would it be? Without hesitation he said "I would buy as many 757s as I could get my hands on" That was before 9/11 and the bankruptcies.

 

[VolStrom]

I remember going to a meeting with some of the network planners and operations guys about 20 or so years ago and someone asked the question: If you could buy any airplane you wanted, what would it be? Without hesitation he said "I would buy as many 757s as I could get my hands on" That was before 9/11 and the bankruptcies.

I got to fly on a brand new 757 out of Knoxville back around 30+/- years ago on Delta that was making its first day of operation. I remember the pilot bragging about all of the state of the art features but the one that stood out to me was him saying that the autopilot could land and stop the plane at certain airports. I've heard it was the "hot rod" of the commercial aviation sector.

 

[05_never_again]

I got to fly on a brand new 757 out of Knoxville back around 30+/- years ago on Delta that was making its first day of operation. I remember the pilot bragging about all of the state of the art features but the one that stood out to me was him saying that the autopilot could land and stop the plane at certain airports. I've heard it was the "hot rod" of the commercial aviation sector.

@SpaceCoastVol Compared to other jets, doesn't it have really powerful engines relative to the size of the plane?

 

[AM64]

@SpaceCoastVol Compared to other jets, doesn't it have really powerful engines relative to the size of the plane?

But there's lots of room to hang bigger engines. Boeing should have just faced up to the fact that the 737 landing gear is the limiting factor on bigger engines and moved on.

 

[NorthDallas40]

@SpaceCoastVol Compared to other jets, doesn't it have really powerful engines relative to the size of the plane?

I want to say there were common design components to the 57/67 families at the time which drove the requirement to the most restrictive airframe. I think it resulted in a common type rating for aircrew also?

 

[VolStrom]

But there's lots of room to hang bigger engines. Boeing should have just faced up to the fact that the 737 landing gear is the limiting factor on bigger engines and moved on.

Yeah I remember the original 737's from the 60's, they had the small cigar shaped engines on them. As the years went by the put quieter, more efficient engines on them that had the bottom of the cowling flattened out. I heard a few pilots refer to them as vacuum cleaners. As they continued to try and cheap out and make the plane bigger is when the eff'd up and developed the Max and that should be the death knell of Boeing along with the Corona Virus and the use of most of their free cash flow to buy back stock. They'll still be around, but they need to be forced into bankruptcy before they get a single dime of my tax dollars.

 

[marcusluvsvols]

Good for Nikki!

Next president of the USA. 2024 she wins by 10% vs some socialist in a landslide .

Every living boomer, gen Xer, and half the female millenials vote for the 1st woman president. A true conservative. Cant wait.

 

[midnight orange]

I want to say there were common design components to the 57/67 families at the time which drove the requirement to the most restrictive airframe. I think it resulted in a common type rating for aircrew also?

It’s common type with differences training.

 

[midnight orange]

@SpaceCoastVol Compared to other jets, doesn't it have really powerful engines relative to the size of the plane?

It’s got a lot of power especially with the Rolls Royce engines. It also does not like to slow down. It’s a pretty slippery airplane.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

I want to say there were common design components to the 57/67 families at the time which drove the requirement to the most restrictive airframe. I think it resulted in a common type rating for aircrew also?

Yeah I am abbidextri... ambidxt... bisexual when it comes to those two. Step up into the cockpit, 767.... step down... 757.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Yeah I remember the original 737's from the 60's, they had the small cigar shaped engines on them. As the years went by the put quieter, more efficient engines on them that had the bottom of the cowling flattened out. I heard a few pilots refer to them as vacuum cleaners. As they continued to try and cheap out and make the plane bigger is when the eff'd up and developed the Max and that should be the death knell of Boeing along with the Corona Virus and the use of most of their free cash flow to buy back stock. They'll still be around, but they need to be forced into bankruptcy before they get a single dime of my tax dollars.

Boeing should be broken up into the defense part and the commercial aviation part. imho. And there should be a guillotine set up in Chicago for all the upper level management of the past 20 years.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

@SpaceCoastVol Compared to other jets, doesn't it have really powerful engines relative to the size of the plane?

I don't know about that. The old 737-200 had the best thrust to weight ratio of any airplane that Delta had at the time. That was a fun airplane to fly. It would stop on a dime, and had rudimentary avionics, but enough to go pretty much anywhere in the USA. When one took off we used to say 'nice punt'.

 

[AM64]

Boeing should be broken up into the defense part and the commercial aviation part. imho. And there should be a guillotine set up in Chicago for all the upper level management of the past 20 years.

I absolutely can't get used to Boeing building fighters - that just feels real wrong.

 

[tvolsfan]

Next president of the USA. 2024 she wins by 10% vs some socialist in a landslide .

Every living boomer, gen Xer, and half the female millenials vote for the 1st woman president. A true conservative. Cant wait.

Unfortunately for her, the Trump cult will want Don Jr.

The republicans who think they can just wait out two Trump terms and take government seriously again after he’s gone are in for a rude awakening.

 

[rjd970]

I absolutely can't get used to Boeing building fighters - that just feels real wrong.

Most of the company that builds fighters are legacy McDonnell Douglas, and they (at least used to) know what they were doing with fighters.

 

[Velo Vol]

 

[TheDeeble]

If it wasn't a .gov website I would instantly assume this was a joke.

 

[NorthDallas40]

 

[utvolpj]

 

[Velo Vol]

If it wasn't a .gov website I would instantly assume this was a joke.

In like one week the White House went from $2 billion to $2 trillion. Tell me what's crazy and what's not.

 

[headhunter15]

What does all that mean?

 

[NorthDallas40]

What does all that mean?

It means Tlaib is an idiot and doesn’t understand basic accounting or finance.