here is a little history on the abortion doctor.

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49 million to 5

i know it's from ann coulter, so all you whacko libs don't get anger and say she's making it up. i don't think she would make it up.

this guy was a pretty gruesome dude when it came to killing babies, hitler would have been proud.
 
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Though, I don't trust her numbers too much, she makes a great point.

My favorite line was this:

I wouldn't kill an abortionist myself, but I wouldn't want to impose my moral values on others. No one is for shooting abortionists. But how will criminalizing men making difficult, often tragic, decisions be an effective means of achieving the goal of reducing the shootings of abortionists?
 
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A pro-lifer comes off as a huge hypocrite when they kill someone to further their cause.
 
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IPorange said:
A pro-lifer comes off as a huge hypocrite when they kill someone to further their cause.
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I agree but do pro choice supporters (especially those who support late term abortion) not come off looking equally hypocritical when they demonize the people who kill doctors who perform these abortions? Seems to me there are equal measures of hypocrisy to go around.
 
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so there were 49 million late-term abortions performed? Interesting
 
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KB5252 said:
I agree but do pro choice supporters (especially those who support late term abortion) not come off looking equally hypocritical when they demonize the people who kill doctors who perform these abortions? Seems to me there are equal measures of hypocrisy to go around.
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Only if you are projecting your beliefs on what abortion is on them. To them, the actions do not equate as they don't see abortion as murder.
 
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IPorange said:
A pro-lifer comes off as a huge hypocrite when they kill someone to further their cause.
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of course, but you don't see a rash of doctor killing. maybe libs can think of it as late, late, late term abortion.

i'll tell you what is hyocritical is that church accepting him the congregation.
 
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joevol320 said:
of course, but you don't see a rash of doctor killing. maybe libs can think of it as late, late, late term abortion.

i'll tell you what is hyocritical is that church accepting him the congregation.
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There are all kinds of churches out there, with varying degrees of tolerance.
 
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utvolpj said:
so there were 49 million late-term abortions performed? Interesting
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No way that number is even close but I would bet she was talking about abortions in general. Even then I doubt there is a way to get a good estimate, I've seen all kinds of numbers pulled out of thin air.
 
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IPorange said:
A pro-lifer comes off as a huge hypocrite when they kill someone to further their cause.
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I am not defending his action, just taking aim at your comment. If a person could save the life of thousands by killing 1, this would make someone a hypocrite in terms of valuing life?
 
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allvol123 said:
I am not defending his action, just taking aim at your comment. If a person could save the life of thousands by killing 1, this would make someone a hypocrite in terms of valuing life?
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Through the eyes of people who didn't view those thousands as "alive," yes. I am just saying you don't win people over through that kind of action, and winning people over is the only way that practice will ever really end.
 
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IPorange said:
Only if you are projecting your beliefs on what abortion is on them. To them, the actions do not equate as they don't see abortion as murder.
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In the end it all comes down to ones beliefs then doesn't it? Those who are pro choice either don't view the unborn baby as a human or they believe their right to do as they wish with their body trumps the fetus (life, baby, etc) they wish to rid themselves of. The pro lifer who takes the life of an abortion doctor has the belief that he is protecting life by murdering those who take life.

I am not advocating the murder of anyone. I have my personal beliefs about abortion (I believe it to be horrible) but at the same time I realize a person has the right to choose what they believe is right for them. It is a very tough problem for me. Abortion is legal and that is the bottom line. I do however think there is a huge double standard here when you compare the legal status of abortion with the legal status of many other issues that boil down to a persons right to do as they wish with their own body.
 
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IPorange said:
Through the eyes of people who didn't view those thousands as "alive," yes. I am just saying you don't win people over through that kind of action, and winning people over is the only way that practice will ever really end.
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Well that makes all the difference in the world. He is living through his eyes, not anyone else's. He viewed this man as a murderer and there was no doubt in his mind. I don't see any hypocrisy in his killing someone he thought was a murderer, in order to prevent what he considers the murders of defenseless babies. Again, I am not condoning his actions.
 
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KB5252 said:
No way that number is even close but I would bet she was talking about abortions in general. Even then I doubt there is a way to get a good estimate, I've seen all kinds of numbers pulled out of thin air.
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there has been close to that number since abortion was legalized in the 70's i believe.
 
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allvol123 said:
Well that makes all the difference in the world. He is living through his eyes, not anyone else's. He viewed this man as a murderer and there was no doubt in his mind. I don't see any hypocrisy in his killing someone he thought was a murderer, in order to prevent what he considers the murders of defenseless babies. Again, I am not condoning his actions.
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And now we just ended up where we started. It isn't about him being a hypocrite relative to his beliefs. It's about how it looks to the people on the other side of the issue. And if it looks like that, you are only pushing them further away.


I am on the same page with you completely, KB. There is definitely a double standard on personal choices.
 
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joevol320 said:
there has been close to that number since abortion was legalized in the 70's i believe.
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any they were all done by this Dr? Or did this nutjob justify the murder of one Dr based on decades of things completely unrelated to him. By this logic every black person in America should declare open season
 
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allvol123 said:
I am not defending his action, just taking aim at your comment. If a person could save the life of thousands by killing 1, this would make someone a hypocrite in terms of valuing life?
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that's how he probably justifies its, but it is still wrong in the eyes of God. the Bibles states "vengance is mine" sayeth the Lord. God doesn't want Christians to take revenge upon themselves.

I'm sure there are alot of Christians that are happy about deep down and they are wrong for thinking that.
 
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utvolpj said:
any they were all done by this Dr? Or did this nutjob justify the murder of one Dr based on decades of things completely unrelated to him. By this logic every black person in America should declare open season
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i would say he knew this guys history pretty good. apparently he did alot of bad stuff with babies. i'm sure the whole abortion history also played a part in it.
 
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IPorange said:
And now we just ended up where we started. It isn't about him being a hypocrite relative to his beliefs. It's about how it looks to the people on the other side of the issue. And if it looks like that, you are only pushing them further away.
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Well if someone holds true to their own beliefs then they are not being hypocritical. If someone else misconstrues another person's beliefs and thus finds that person to be a hypocrite, that is their mistake.
 
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KB5252 said:
I do however think there is a huge double standard here when you compare the legal status of abortion with the legal status of many other issues that boil down to a persons right to do as they wish with their own body.
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I think this is an excellent point.
 
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rjd970 said:
I think this is an excellent point.
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I believe these are all very tough questions. As I said before abortion is a tough issue for me, I personally dislike it but I realize people have the need and right to make their own choices within reason. The problem is where do you draw the line? How do we weigh the cost of the consequence these issues bring with people having the right to choose what they want to do with their body or life. The same is true for issue of legalizing drugs, there are drawbacks but people have the right to do as they wish. Where do we draw the line on these tough issues? I know it is way beyond what I am comfortable in deciding.
 
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KB5252 said:
I believe these are all very tough questions. As I said before abortion is a tough issue for me, I personally dislike it but I realize people have the need and right to make their own choices within reason. The problem is where do you draw the line? How do we weigh the cost of the consequence these issues bring with people having the right to choose what they want to do with their body or life. The same is true for issue of legalizing drugs, there are drawbacks but people have the right to do as they wish. Where do we draw the line on these tough issues? I know it is way beyond what I am comfortable in deciding.
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Why is it tough? If you believe it is life, then the choice should be obvious.

If you don't believe it is life, then the choice shouldn't be tough at all.

I guess deciding whether you think it is life or not, could be tough.
 
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Killing the doctor is murder. But so, the argument goes, is abortion. And so, the argument goes, if you condemn the guy who shot the doctor, you have to condemn the doctor.

The moral debate is endless.

But the fact is that one is legal, one is not. You can't compare them on that level.
 
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