here is a little history on the abortion doctor.

[hatvol96]

there's no gray area?

Why would there be? It's somebody making a decision deemed to be lawful that has zero effect on me? I can't conjure a scenario under which I should remotely give a crap.
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[droski]

Why would there be? It's somebody making a decision deemed to be lawful that has zero effect on me? I can't conjure a scenario under which I should remotely give a crap.
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the overwhelming majority of people on death row made decisions that have zero effect on you.

and throughout society's history things have been lawful which later generations have found reprehensable. the more we find out about the human body the more this might be one of those things that does not reflect well on us in the future. i'm an agnostic. i'm not talking about god, or jesus, or the pope, i'm talking about a kid that has a working heart, lungs, and limbs. you might think differently on this issue once you actually go through the process of a pregnacy. it's entirely probable that late term babies wil be able to survive in the near future. we're not talking about a bunch of cell's here.

 

[allvol123]

It's far enough that one has no legal penalty and one will earn a doctor a trip straight to death row.
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I'd say it does have a legal penalty depending on the state, cirumstances, and ability for one to prove what happened.

Also, what is the point of just pointing out what the law is? Are we saying that every law is just and thus end of discussion? Anyway, you yourself stated the state legislatures are populated with fools.

 

[hatvol96]

the overwhelming majority of people on death row made decisions that have zero effect on you.

Failing to put them on death row as a consequence of their actions would have a profound effect on everyone. On the other hand, what does or does not happen to a woman who terminates a pregnancy that is her responsibility doesn't come within shouting distance of relevance to me.

 

[hatvol96]

Also, what is the point of just pointing out what the law is? Are we saying that every law is just and thus end of discussion?

No, I'm simply pointing out that two conducts that the poster said are essentially the same have a Grand Canyon size chasm in consequences.

 

[hatvol96]

I'd say it does have a legal penalty depending on the state, cirumstances, and ability for one to prove what happened.

Thus, in the absence of the ability to prove something viloative of the prevailing statute happened, it's 100% legal.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Good to see we've finally established you are a full fledged idiot. Exactly where are the government run abortion camps? Oh, that's right. You're just the typical right wing stooge who likes to legislate individual choice.
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Sense you have taken this libertarian-esque stand, I would assume that you would have no problem with a law abiding legal gun permit holder to carry his arms into a restuarant?

I would argue that licensed gun toters have amounted to far, far less loss of life than licensed abortionists...

 

[allvol123]

Thus, in the absence of the ability to prove something viloative of the prevailing statute happened, it's 100% legal.

That is why I said "depending.....ability for one to prove what happened."

 

[rjd970]

If you tell me at 4 weeks it's a woman's individual choice you have a legit argument. When we are talking late term abortion it's not far off from a doctor smothering a newborn.

Exactly. There is gray area here. I don't know where "life" begins, but I have no personal problem with a termination up to 6 weeks and every personal problem after 20 weeks. I freely admit I don't know where the criteria line is drawn in between. All I know is sucking an 8 month old fetus out of a body is horrific, and stem cell research should be pursued vigorously.

But it's a free country, it isn't against the law, so what do I care.

 

[rjd970]

hatvol...I totally respect your opinion here. I honestly do.

But just out of curiosity, where do you stand morally on this issue? Not legally, not in the context of freedom...but from a strictly moral position? Do you think pulling a baby out of a womb at 30 weeks is morally right?

 

[hatvol96]

hatvol...I totally respect your opinion here. I honestly do.

But just out of curiosity, where do you stand morally on this issue? Not legally, not in the context of freedom...but from a strictly moral position? Do you think pulling a baby out of a womb at 30 weeks is morally right?

I haven't given it any thought because I simply don't care. I only assign morality, or lack therof, to issues that have meaning to me. Would it be something I would advocate or participate in? No. Am I going to cast stones at those who do? No.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I haven't given it any thought because I simply don't care. I only assign morality, or lack therof, to issues that have meaning to me. Would it be something I would advocate or participate in? No. Am I going to cast stones at those who do? No.

Moral apathy

 

[rjd970]

Moral apathy

So?

It's legal, doesn't affect him, but he has his own moral opinion about it....why should anybody else care? Other people can live with the choices they make.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

So?

It's legal, doesn't affect him, but he has his own moral opinion about it....why should anybody else care? Other people can live with the choices they make.

Keep in mind this is the same guy that is outraged over licensed conceal/carry gun owners walking into restaurants. Those gun owners aren't bothering him, either. So why the outrage?