here is a little history on the abortion doctor.

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lawgator1 said:
If one believes that the late term abortions are morally wrong and ought to be banned everywhere, and that they aren't in Kansas, go lobby the Kansas Legislature. You may well be right, in the universal moral sense (if there is one). But don't take it upon yourself to impose your will on others when the issue has been decided by those our society has given the power to decide.
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Do you always hand out advice no one needs?
 
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So I read the first post on this and felt the need to post, The first remark on this subject almost sounded like it was justifying the killing of this doctor who performed abortions. So let me start by saying I am a Christian but not in the typical church going way but in the unchurch way in which I simply try to practice the methods of Jesus teachings and accept him as lord and savior or as Gandhi said "I really like your Christ, It is your Christians I am unsure of". I feel like abortion should be the choice of a woman who will not get judged by society or a broken legal system but the God all mighty but even if you are 100% pro-life who in the world could you even begin to justify this killing? Murder is Abortion, you idiot. And now your prolife cause has taken a huge hit because of the actions of one individual. After all of that is said, I guess the only situations that I am pro-choice on is rape and incest, adoption cures the rest, but in the endGod is the final judge, and in the same way you view abortion as murder it can also go the other way, murder is also abortion.
 
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Even in terms of rape and incest, there is no reason an abortion should be conducted after 20 weeks.
 
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#56
So if you know someone has had a late term abortion do you welcome them into your church are you so judgemental that they can't walk through your doors?
 
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IPorange said:
I don't understand why you get to make the call for everyone.
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I think he's just saying there's not really a reason to wait 20 weeks. It's not like it takes you that long to discover you've been raped or that your sexual partner is your brother.
 
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IPorange said:
I don't understand why you get to make the call for everyone.
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You generally know your pregnant after 6 weeks. If it takes them another 14 weeks to decide if they want the baby or not, it's probably a mistake for them to terminate.

Of course, they can decide what they want to do...I just think it is asinine to terminate a pregnancy that late where there is no legitimate medical concern to the mother.
 
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#59
We allow the politics of distraction to make this much more complicated than it really is. It takes a nut to kill someone or blow themselves up. There are enough nuts in every demographic on this earth to make problems.

Deep down I would imagine that a doctor like this would have his own personal and mental issues to reconcile as well. I certainly haven't been to med school, but it must be a downer to spend 10 years in med school learning how to peserve life only to end up sucking fetuses out with a hose for money. That would be damned depressing.
 
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Sjernigan88 said:
So if you know someone has had a late term abortion do you welcome them into your church are you so judgemental that they can't walk through your doors?
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if it's anything like the churches I've attended they are welcome but will be the subject of gossip and secret ridicule until someone takes their place
 
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utvolpj said:
if it's anything like the churches I've attended they are welcome but will be the subject of gossip and secret ridicule until someone takes their place
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That is the drill...and it happens in every church on earth.
 
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utvolpj said:
if it's anything like the churches I've attended they are welcome but will be the subject of gossip and secret ridicule until someone takes their place
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This is the biggest reason I have decided that attending a church is not for me. I can have my beliefs and live by the teachings of Christianity the best I can without subjecting myself and family to these types of people.
 
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Sjernigan88 said:
After all of that is said, I guess the only situations that I am pro-choice on is rape and incest, adoption cures the rest, but in the endGod is the final judge
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I am defintiely not in this camp, but there are lots of Christians out there that would say that this makes you a hypocrite.
 
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NochNoch said:
I am defintiely not in this camp, but there are lots of Christians out there that would say that this makes you a hypocrite.
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Their are alot of Christians in this world that would say voting Democrat makes you a hypocrit, or having a beer, or watching an R rated film, or swearing when you stub your toe. All I am saying is I am not the judge. Why worry about legislating morality?
 
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Sjernigan88 said:
Their are alot of Christians in this world that would say voting Democrat makes you a hypocrit, or having a beer, or watching an R rated film, or swearing when you stub your toe. All I am saying is I am not the judge. Why worry about legislating morality?
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My point wasn't about legislating morality. Was just saying, that by your own admission, your belief is that God is the only one who could judge. I'd assume that would be as a result of him being all knowing and infallible. Now, I won't presume to know where you fall in the arguement of predestination but his being infallible (along with a Calvinist view of religion) is the arguement some use against any and all abortion. Even ones that result from the scenarios in which you said you would be pro-choice.
 
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NochNoch said:
My point wasn't about legislating morality. Was just saying, that by your own admission, your belief is that God is the only one who could judge. I'd assume that would be as a result of him being all knowing and infallible. Now, I won't presume to know where you fall in the arguement of predestination but his being infallible (along with a Calvinist view of religion) is the arguement some use against any and all abortion. Even ones that result from the scenarios in which you said you would be pro-choice.
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Nope, not the argument I would use. I just think my God is bigger than this and if I approach God with a religous box and say this will send you to hell and this won't then I do not understand how complex that God is. I do not get it and I don't have to. I love God, do my best to walk within the guidelines that Christ set forth. That includes not playing judge turning the other cheek if what someone else does offends me
 
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hatvol96 said:
I think most states have some limitation on the time frame during which a procedure may be done, with some accounting for health risks to the mother. My point is that if people were that concerned about such conduct, there would be more of a blanket criminality. The reason there isn't is because most people actually have lives and aren't concerning themselves with the reproductive decisions of others.
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good thing you weren't around in germany in the 30s. or maybe you were.
 
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NochNoch said:
My point wasn't about legislating morality. Was just saying, that by your own admission, your belief is that God is the only one who could judge. I'd assume that would be as a result of him being all knowing and infallible. Now, I won't presume to know where you fall in the arguement of predestination but his being infallible (along with a Calvinist view of religion) is the arguement some use against any and all abortion. Even ones that result from the scenarios in which you said you would be pro-choice.
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Sjernigan88 said:
Nope, not the argument I would use. I just think my God is bigger than this and if I approach God with a religous box and say this will send you to hell and this won't then I do not understand how complex that God is. I do not get it and I don't have to. I love God, do my best to walk within the guidelines that Christ set forth. That includes not playing judge turning the other cheek if what someone else does offends me
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Calvinism and predestination have always been interesting to me, as concepts, and I've never really studied them. From what little I know, seems as though you could argue the parameters all you want, i.e. its a pre-selected 1,000, or everyone of a particular sect?

Something about traditional Christian teachings is wholly inconsistent with the view that our Earthly beings have no part in the process whatsoever.
 
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Calvinism and predestination have always been interesting to me, as concepts, and I've never really studied them. From what little I know, seems as though you could argue the parameters all you want, i.e. its a pre-selected 1,000, or everyone of a particular sect?
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Couldn't agree more about the interest level but as far as how I have always viewed it:

Calvinism: "Thus God's choice of the sinner, not the sinner's choice of Christ, is the ultimate cause of salvation."

Arminianism: "Thus the sinner's choice of Christ, not God's choice of the sinner, is the ultimate cause of salvation.'

Something about traditional Christian teachings is wholly inconsistent with the view that our Earthly beings have no part in the process whatsoever.
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Wasn't implying I believed in it, Calvinist's have never made any sense to me, but was just playing a little Devil's Advocate for a minute or two.
 
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droski said:
good thing you weren't around in germany in the 30s. or maybe you were.
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Good to see we've finally established you are a full fledged idiot. Exactly where are the government run abortion camps? Oh, that's right. You're just the typical right wing stooge who likes to legislate individual choice.
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Lexvol said:
I certainly haven't been to med school, but it must be a downer to spend 10 years in med school learning how to peserve life only to end up sucking fetuses out with a hose for money. That would be damned depressing.
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Depending on who you are stopping from reproducing, I imagine it could be quite uplifting. The world has enough idiots.
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hatvol96 said:
Good to see we've finally established you are a full fledged idiot. Exactly where are the government run abortion camps? Oh, that's right. You're just the typical right wing stooge who likes to legislate individual choice.
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I'm a rightwing wackjob because I believe that society sometimes has immoral laws? If you tell me at 4 weeks it's a woman's individual choice you have a legit argument. When we are talking late term abortion it's not far off from a doctor smothering a newborn.
 
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droski said:
I'm a rightwing wackjob because I believe that society sometimes has immoral laws? If you tell me at 4 weeks it's a woman's individual choice you have a legit argument. When we are talking late term abortion it's not far off from a doctor smothering a newborn.
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As long as it's an individual making a choice, I don't care.
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#74
droski said:
When we are talking late term abortion it's not far off from a doctor smothering a newborn.
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It's far enough that one has no legal penalty and one will earn a doctor a trip straight to death row.
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