Here is my real problem.

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PPPpartsp3 said:
Using your "math," what is your schedule rank going to be if you beat every opponent you play, and that is the only game each of them lose? Most calculations of schedule strength involve records of teams you play, records of teams they play, and some involve home field advantage, and others take the score into account. Its a lot more complicated then you are making it out to be, as you are trying to rationalize a guy that has won against easier schedules than he is likely to have going forward.
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It is more complicated than I'm claiming. But what I am saying is that he won 10 games in 1 year and 9 in the other. That doesn't means his strength of schedule is going to be dead last, nor does is mean that if he went 0-12 that his strength of schedule would have been number 1 in the nation.

What is does mean though, is that his schedule rating of 73, may have been as high as 55-60 if he hadn't won so many games.

Which puts his schedule around the top half of the nation.

What's even more important than his strength of schedule is the fact that he had talent relative to the talent other big east coaches had. Yet, he still won 9 and 10 games his last two years.
 
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Vol8188 said:
It is more complicated than I'm claiming. But what I am saying is that he won 10 games in 1 year and 9 in the other. That doesn't means his strength of schedule is going to be dead last, nor does is mean that if he went 0-12 that his strength of schedule would have been number 1 in the nation.

What is does mean though, is that his schedule rating of 73, may have been as high as 55-60 if he hadn't won so many games.

Which puts his schedule around the top half of the nation.

What's even more important than his strength of schedule is the fact that he had talent relative to the talent other big east coaches had. Yet, he still won 9 and 10 games his last two years.
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And how many of these is he going to get to play is the SEC?

Total record of opponents Butch Jones beat at Cincinnati: 97 – 131

Total record of opponents who beat Butch Jones at Cincinnati: 52 – 22

W: 5-7, 3-9, 4-7, 7-5, 6-5(Fordham, FCS), 4-8, 6-6, 6-5(Del. St, FCS), 6-6, 3-8(Austin Peay, FCS), 1-11, 8-5, 4-8, 7-6, 5-7, 6-7, 6-7, 5-7, 5-7

L: 9-3, 10-2, 9-3, 5-7, 10-3, 9-4
 
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PPPpartsp3 said:
And how many of these is he going to get to play is the SEC?
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What you fail to realize is that it doesn't matter how much better his oppents are in the SEC, becuase he's in the SEC too now!

He now has a team with SEC caliber talent! He now has SEC money to throw around on the recruiting trail!
 
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Vol8188 said:
What you fail to realize is that it doesn't matter how much better his oppents are in the SEC, becuase he's in the SEC too now!

He now has a team with SEC caliber talent! He now has SEC money to throw around on the recruiting trail!
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Dooley had that too, and we see how that turned out.
 
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Vol8188 said:
It is more complicated than I'm claiming. But what I am saying is that he won 10 games in 1 year and 9 in the other. That doesn't means his strength of schedule is going to be dead last, nor does is mean that if he went 0-12 that his strength of schedule would have been number 1 in the nation.

What is does mean though, is that his schedule rating of 73, may have been as high as 55-60 if he hadn't won so many games.

Which puts his schedule around the top half of the nation.

What's even more important than his strength of schedule is the fact that he had talent relative to the talent other big east coaches had. Yet, he still won 9 and 10 games his last two years.
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By the way, UT's schedule was 46th in 2010 when Dooley went 6 and 7. The schedule rank was 4th in 2011 when he went 5 and 7. I don't think the loss to Kentucky bumped the schedule so high, or would have made it much lower by beating them.
 
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utvolkyle06 said:
I just can't get past this. I know it is only one game and a snap shoot in time, but its not even close. Is this the same secondary and defensive staff he is bringing? Look at the lack of halftime adjustments and we know Dooley never made any at halftime. Without our two lost fumbles and penalities the score would have been even more lopsided. Look at Time of Position, in the SEC ball control and ToP are usually critical. Not trying to be negative just logical. This was only 15 months ago.
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In that game, Da'Rick made a SportsCenter catch betting sandwiched between two defenders, losing a helmet, and still catching a TD with a flourish at the end. We didn't know how good Justin and Da'Rick were really going to be. The two had combined for 27 catches the year before, although we thought they might be pretty good. The next game we lost Hunter, then Bray two games after that. We scored 45 points vs. Cincy, but never scored that much in a game for the rest of the season (not even against Buffalo).

Meanwhile, Cincy was still young and didn't quite know how to win yet. By the end of that year, they got it. They never allowed 45 points again (only allowing 30 once), and scored more than 23 points (what they scored in this game) in 9 of their last 11 games. I remember thinking how good it was that we caught them early, because I think they would have killed us later in the season.

Translation: It looks like they got ticked off after this loss and got much, much better. Meanwhile, this was our best game of the year, by far. So, you probably ought to get over it.
 
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PPPpartsp3 said:
Dooley had that too, and we see how that turned out.
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Did Dooley win 19 games in two years at LaTech? I must have missed that.

Butch Jones won in the Big East against opponents of equal talent

Dooley lost in the WAC against opponents of equal talent.

So you're comparison is mildly retarded at best.
 
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PPPpartsp3 said:
By the way, UT's schedule was 46th in 2010 when Dooley went 6 and 7. The schedule rank was 4th in 2011 when he went 5 and 7. I don't think the loss to Kentucky made the schedule so hard, bumped the schedule so high.
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I give up. You're retarded.
 
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Vol8188 said:
What you fail to realize is that it doesn't matter how much better his oppents are in the SEC, becuase he's in the SEC too now!

He now has a team with SEC caliber talent! He now has SEC money to throw around on the recruiting trail!
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OK use your comparison equations and tell me the record for next year?
I say we only win five. What say you for the record?
 
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Vol8188 said:
Is that not true? Last time I checked we either had a lead or a chance at winning 3 of those 4 games in the final minutes, even with Dooley as our HC.
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I doubt that the majority of non bias fans would say there is no significant talent gap between UT and the four or five teams a head of us in the SEC East.
 
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utvolkyle06 said:
OK use your comparison equations and tell me the record for next year?
I say we only win five. What say you for the record?
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We lose at Florida, at Oregon, and at Alabama. That's 3 losses. If we lose to Georgia and South Carolina, that is 5. Okay, that takes care of the teams we face that are in the Top 12.

If we lose at Missouri, that is 6 losses. Then we have to beat Vandy, Kentucky, Auburn, Western Kentucky(Petrino), South Alabama , and Austin Peay to wind up 6-6.

I think that 8-4 would be a great year. That means you beat either Ga. or So. Car. 7-5 would be good. 6-6 is about what I would expect, possibly 5-7. I thought that this year would be 7-5. I thought that we would split Miss. St. and Missouri, and beat Vandy.
 
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1972 Grad said:
We lose at Florida, at Oregon, and at Alabama. That's 3 losses. If we lose to Georgia and South Carolina, that is 5. Okay, that takes care of the teams we face that are in the Top 12.

If we lose at Missouri, that is 6 losses. Then we have to beat Vandy, Kentucky, Auburn, Western Kentucky(Petrino), South Alabama , and Austin Peay to wind up 6-6.

I think that 8-4 would be a great year. That means you beat either Ga. or So. Car. 7-5 would be good. 6-6 is about what I would expect, possibly 5-7. I thought that this year would be 7-5. I thought that we would split Miss. St. and Missouri, and beat Vandy.
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I think this is pretty spot on, anywhere from 4-8 to 6-6.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Are you trying to make an end of the year run at the troll of the year award or something?
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No, I want some more of your schedule strength funny math bull crap about Cincy's weak schedules the past 2 years. What was the record of his first team at Cincy?

I only see 3 true easy ones on the schedule for this team. Maybe 4 if you count Auburn at home. Kentucky possibly, but it is on the road this year. They are more than likely going to replace their top 2 receivers and QB, plus possibly some other Juniors and transfers. I hope they win them all, but I look at things rationally.
 
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PPPpartsp3 said:
No, I want some more of your schedule strength funny math bull crap about Cincy's weak schedules the past 2 years. What was the record of his first team at Cincy?

I only see 3 true easy ones on the schedule for this team. Maybe 4 if you count Auburn at home. Kentucky possibly, but it is on the road this year. They are more than likely going to replace their top 2 receivers and QB, plus possibly some other Juniors and transfers. I hope they win them all, but I look at things rationally.
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I don't think that Auburn with Mulzahn back will be a cakewalk. They have talent.
 
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So tired of hearing about this game. UT wad suppose to win. We had much better athletes. We had home field advantage and stadium was rocking. Wilcox was still here and our defense was much better. It was one game and does not mean dooley was the better coach. I would be willing to bet cincinnati would have beat us this year.
 
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VolsFanRJ said:
So tired of hearing about this game. UT wad suppose to win. We had much better athletes. We had home field advantage and stadium was rocking. Wilcox was still here and our defense was much better. It was one game and does not mean dooley was the better coach. I would be willing to bet cincinnati would have beat us this year.
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One is a prediction the other was a fact and a very clear beat down.
 
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Swap the coaches to the other team for that game and see what the outcome would have been.lol You people are ridiculous for even comparing dd to BJ
 
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volswillrise12 said:
It's a fair comparison. However, I would say is it fair to judge the University of Cincinnati coaches and system when they don't have the type of players and facilities that we have? Because we don't know what we are going to get in that case. I've heard BJ got graded high at Cincinnati because he was able to make chicken salad out of chicken you know what...so...what's going to happen when he brings that here?
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I don't want that bowl of chicken salad!:yuck:
 
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