Here it is. Non existent antifa takes over Seattle neighborhood. No police presence

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utvolpj said:
This is an absurd post. They've erected barriers and have armed security roaming. They've instituted stop and frisk to see who is carrying. That's 2nd amendment stuff?
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Did the local mayor or police say that was against the law ? Yes , so go stop them . I heard for 3+ years that NOBODY IS ABOVE THE LAW. I guess it just depends on who you are affiliated with . 🤷‍♂️
It’s not a federal problem .
 
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0nelilreb said:
I completely agree . I’m in the Mike Rowe comer on that subject .
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This. Mike has been calling for change for years. We need kids in community college and tech programs ..not 4yr paper chasers.

We need apprenticeships. It will come too late for me, but I know what's coming and will enjoy watching if I am alive. I see the skills that guys like myself and Slice have becoming extinct among Americans...and in some cases extinct period. Just 2 examples off the top of my head that most probably wouldnt know....

How many plumbers do you know that can sweat copper? How old are they?

How many brickmasons that can build a firebox and free standing chimney? How old are they?

As these skills become more and more rare, largely extinct, what happens to the price of that labor? I have built nothing but apartments for over 10 years. There are no white or black folks, other than maybe the guy who supervises the foremen onsite. None with tools in their hands . Zero. This is not an exaggeration. None. American kids have been brainwashed into thinking they have to go to college...or are too drugged out, overweight, or just plain too LAZY to earn a living with their head AND their hands. Copper has been largely replaced by plastic PEX except for in commercial and very high end custom homes...woodburning fireplaces have been replaced by gas log inserts or fakes....in both cases not because the new alternative is better....but because it is CHEAPER and most customers dont know to ask about the original forms. There is no "next generation" to teach these skills...at least not in Charlotte, which has stayed in the top 10 fastest growing cities in the US for 20 years plus. Here is an even newer phenomenon: now I hear my guys (amigos) talk about THEIR KIDS...how they are lazy, wont come to work with dad, dont want to learn a trade , often overweight and addicted to video games and social media...now it is happening in THEIR culture, too....

I guess when all the skilled labor trades are billing at about $100 an hour or more, with the actual mason/plumber/electrician/carpenter actually making $50 an hour or more...then will we see a reversal??? This isnt far off . In some trades it is already here (plumbing and electrical)

When you can spend 2 years in the field and be making $100k a year plus overtime, or spend 4 years and $150k to be starting at half that....will people figure it out? Or are they simply too lazy? Too scared to work outside in the searing heat and freezing cold? We will see I guess.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
I think the problem is that you needlessly narrow the definition of "educated", and where you have to go to get it. Thankfully, that's changing in the tech field.
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I don't think I do at all: on the job, trade school, apprenticeship, GT.
Whatever works.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
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How many plumbers do you know that can sweat copper? How old are they?

How many brickmasons that can build a firebox and free standing chimney? How old are they?

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Buddy of mine was just saying the other day he's having a hard time finding someone who knows what he's doing to repair/install a well pump. All the old timers are gone, at least around here.

I tell a lot of my students who take vocational classes they should learn about inboard and (especially) outboard motor repair. Around here, the wait time for repairs is significant, and I know it would be hard to have a lot of inventory on hand because of lack of capital. However, I think that's something here in East TN that would be a profitable field in the long-term.
 
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GordonC said:
Wonder if they tilled that up (and if they did who actually did the work) or just threw dirt on top of mowed grass?
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It actually looks like they put down paper bags down then put bagged soil on top of the paper bags.
 
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0nelilreb said:
Did the local mayor or police say that was against the law ? Yes , so go stop them . I heard for 3+ years that NOBODY IS ABOVE THE LAW. I guess it just depends on who you are affiliated with . 🤷‍♂️
It’s not a federal problem .
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So when locals are unwilling or unable you just secede that us land to whomever wants it? I don't care who you're affiliated with, that should not happen in this country. Especially when led by a group the potus calls terrorists.

Make an example or the next group may actually be organized and a harder fight
 
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utvolpj said:
That's a great trait for a potus to have. Strong leader that guy
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Well there is zero chance of us getting a strong leader this go around, best we can hope for is a guy that won't try to stimulate the recovery through regulation and government programs.
 
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utvolpj said:
So when locals are unwilling or unable you just secede that us land to whomever wants it? I don't care who you're affiliated with, that should not happen in this country. Especially when led by a group the potus calls terrorists.

Make an example or the next group may actually be organized and a harder fight
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Are you advocating for some type of armed/militaristic resolution?
 
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utvolpj said:
So when locals are unwilling or unable you just secede that us land to whomever wants it? I don't care who you're affiliated with, that should not happen in this country. Especially when led by a group the potus calls terrorists.

Make an example or the next group may actually be organized and a harder fight
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Local , City, State , Federal ... The Feds should be treated as the very large uncontrollable pit bull you keep chained up next to the back door of your house . Only turn him loose as a last resort because he only knows how to do one thing , bite everyone around him including you if you get in his way .
 
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GordonC said:
Buddy of mine was just saying the other day he's having a hard time finding someone who knows what he's doing to repair/install a well pump. All the old timers are gone, at least around here.

I tell a lot of my students who take vocational classes they should learn about inboard and (especially) outboard motor repair. Around here, the wait time for repairs is significant, and I know it would be hard to have a lot of inventory on hand because of lack of capital. However, I think that's something here in East TN that would be a profitable field in the long-term.
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Yep.

Dont know about Tn....but here in NC, in order to be a licensed plumber or electrician, you need 2000hrs apprenticeship under another licensed P/E...which is 1 year...plus pass the written exam. Any kid out of HS should be able to do that in 2yrs .

Now, in 2 years will they be a great plumber or electrician? No. They would be the equivalent of an engineer or architect straight out of school, BUT already have 2 years field experience that they were PAID to receive, and should be pretty capable.

A newly licensed P/E should expect to pull $50K a year minimum base, plus a work truck, phone, gas card, and benefits if working for a decent sized company. Now...have a rich uncle/grandad/friend? Get 2 trucks of your OWN and put somebody else in the other one...work a 20 year career and retire at 40 a rich man. No BS... I went to HS with a plumber who has done just that and is a millionaire...he isnt unique. My son is going the 4 year academic route...and I think he chose the harder path. Physically easier...but harder path. If he wasnt valedictorian and starting school as a sophomore with 32hrs already complete, I would have pushed him HARD to go the blue collar route and make WAY MORE money than his Dad ever has.
 
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luthervol said:
How many of the workers in those plants were making fun of the "nerds" and "smart ones" in high school?
There are idiots all through middle and high school who make fun of and belittle the value of education and those who pursue it.
What does that person call the nerd in 20 years...........boss.
I've seen so many piss away their educational opportunities in high school while laughing at and ridiculing any student willing to work hard and take their education seriously.
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C-south said:
It’s not all black and white. I know a guy who dropped out of school in the 8th grade and is now a millionaire with his own heating and air business. I know people with bachelor degrees making less than $40k a year. While getting the most education is advisable and should open up more opportunities there’s never a guarantee of anything. All manufacturing jobs aren’t created equal either. Some people can make close to 6 figures with OT which will be as much if not more than some of the salary “educated” positions. I don’t view someone as being smarter or dumber than the next guy based on how long they did or didn’t go to school.
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luthervol said:
I agree with all of that.
Education makes one more educated, not a direct correlation with intelligence but there is a strong positive correlation.
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luthervol said:
I don't think I do at all: on the job, trade school, apprenticeship, GT.
Whatever works.
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Really? You weren't using "education" as short-hand for going to college, and then strongly correlating that to intelligence?
 
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volbeast33 said:
I’m voting for trump bc I feel he will do the best for the things I believe are important..... I would vote for someone else but the only other choice is Biden.
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Then you're part of the problem. He takes that vote as absolute approval
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Really? You weren't using "education" as short-hand for going to college, and then strongly correlating that to intelligence?
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There is a strong correlation.
You're trying awfully hard to find a contradiction where there is none. But that's what I would expect.
 
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luthervol said:
There is a strong correlation.
You're trying awfully hard to find a contradiction where there is none. But that's what I would expect.
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So, you were using a needlessly narrow definition of education, although you later claimed you hadn't, and widened the definition?
 
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