Here we go again. Cue up Charles Barkley

[jordanthegimp]

Atlanta is fine with it you are correct, so is South Beach, Los Angeles or any large northern city.

Go to Gatlinburg, Halls, Nashville, Panama City, Maynardville, Sneedville, Rutledge or numerous other small southern towns and you better be ready for a fight.

Sorry did not mean to ramble but I do speak from 8 yrs experience.

-really? well, i grew up in Seymour i believe that qualifies as small southern town. this summer i happened to come home with my black girlfriend of now 2 years , to my alll white family. and we went to every litttle town between knoxville and nashville to include Gatlinburg, PF, and Sevierville. and guess what not once did we hear anything.Actually went to the Old city to hit the nightclubs since she hasnt ever expierenced it in AK, and my brother and i happen to be the only white guys in there didnt know what 106 was(the clubs changed a bit in 2 years) and not one word.even in Myrtle beach nothing, actually i get more looks in AK,imagine that.people in there 60's and older on both sides of the fence. .GmanTN, your experience must have been in the 60's or you are trapped at he Cocke county walmart. yes there is ignorance on both sides.but i think you are a little far fetched by your statements.

 

[FenianVol]

Of course I don't think Chizik was a better choice but I'm not gonna automatically assume everyone at Auburn is racist.
I would have hired Gill ten times over Chizik but it has zero to do with race with me and it's wrong to call AU racist when we have no idea why.
That is what people like Rev Al and Barkley thrive on.

never said AU was racist, all I said was reguardless of race Gill or Strong seem better candidates than Chizik!

 

[Vercingetorix]

I don't think race has anything to do with the HC hires in college football. If anything a black person may have a better chance because of race.

This may be the single dumbest sentence I've ever read on VolNation. And that's saying something.

Ah, the kid in the tale of the King's New Clothes. Nobody wants to come out and say if the results had been better with the big hires of black coaches maybe the rate of hiring black head coaches would have increased.

But black coaches almost never get jobs that have much chance of success. Black coaches don't get jobs like Tennessee and Michigan and Ohio State and Oklahoma and Nebraska; they get jobs like Buffalo and New Mexico State and Mississippi State. (And a new one today -- Yale.) The only three major college programs I can think of offhand that have hired a black coach were UCLA (where Karl Dorrell was pretty lousy, but no worse than Bob Toledo was before him), Notre Dame (where nobody can win anymore, and Ty Willingham looks pretty good in hindsight), and Miami. And Randy Shannon seems to be doing pretty well there so far.

Most coaches are failures. It's just that the black guys get blamed for failing because they're black.

 

[Brog]

and Ty Willingham looks pretty good in hindsight

Let's not get ahead of ourselves.

 

[gasguy98]

Yeah, obviously, because the number of black head coaches has been cut in half the last ten years.

Its amazing how people just want to disregard the facts.

How many running backs in the NFL or 1A college are black? Do they get the starting jobs because of their race or because they give their team the best chance to win games?

Now apply that simple logic to coaching. Maybe, just maybe the hires go to those that give the program the greatest chance of success.

I don't follow how many coaches are black in the NFL or college, it does not interest me. Being in the business world for 15 years has taught me that businnesses will hire whoever they feels will help them achieve their goals. Gov't checks on large companies to make sure they are giving minorities a fair shake and companies get brownie points if they have a healthy percentage of minority employees.

 

[gasguy98]

This may be the single dumbest sentence I've ever read on VolNation. And that's saying something.



But black coaches almost never get jobs that have much chance of success. Black coaches don't get jobs like Tennessee and Michigan and Ohio State and Oklahoma and Nebraska; they get jobs like Buffalo and New Mexico State and Mississippi State. (And a new one today -- Yale.) The only three major college programs I can think of offhand that have hired a black coach were UCLA (where Karl Dorrell was pretty lousy, but no worse than Bob Toledo was before him), Notre Dame (where nobody can win anymore, and Ty Willingham looks pretty good in hindsight), and Miami. And Randy Shannon seems to be doing pretty well there so far.

Most coaches are failures. It's just that the black guys get blamed for failing because they're black.

Sorry to dissapoint you but in this day and age in 99% of employment opportunities a minority applicant will certaintly get the benefit of the doubt. If you don't think that is true you must be pretty wet behind the ears.

 

[GAVol]

Sorry to dissapoint you but in this day and age in 99% of employment opportunities a minority applicant will certaintly get the benefit of the doubt. If you don't think that is true you must be pretty wet behind the ears.

I'm sure there are circumstances where that happens, but not nearly to the degree you are saying. IMO, it's still an uphill fight for a large number of minority applicants.

 

[bluetickhound16]

I read the articles too and think it's pretty manly (NOT) of CS to blame his wife's color for his troubles finding a coaching job... Honestly... It never occurred to him that having a white wife might be a problem for some people? The thing that'll make schools pass on him now more than ever is that he really comes across as a whiner... Nobody want to hire a guy that is a race-baiter and Strong definitely comes across that way, whether that's actually true about him or not. It's too bad too because he's a great coach. I'd have loved to have had him up here before Kiffin got the job.

 

[Vol Mania 21]

This may be the single dumbest sentence I've ever read on VolNation. And that's saying something.



But black coaches almost never get jobs that have much chance of success. Black coaches don't get jobs like Tennessee and Michigan and Ohio State and Oklahoma and Nebraska; they get jobs like Buffalo and New Mexico State and Mississippi State. (And a new one today -- Yale.) The only three major college programs I can think of offhand that have hired a black coach were UCLA (where Karl Dorrell was pretty lousy, but no worse than Bob Toledo was before him), Notre Dame (where nobody can win anymore, and Ty Willingham looks pretty good in hindsight), and Miami. And Randy Shannon seems to be doing pretty well there so far.

Most coaches are failures. It's just that the black guys get blamed for failing because they're black.

the last sentence of your quote is completely retarded. i'm so sick of hearing that crap

 

[VolsRule]

Any pics of charlie strong's wife? I heard she's pretty hot.

 

[bluetickhound16]

the last sentence of your quote is completely retarded. i'm so sick of hearing that crap

Roger THAT.... I hate how any time a non-minority wants to have an honest discusssion about race they either get shouted down by bleeding hearts who would do ANYTHING not to be seen as "racist" or by other minorities who don't want equality so much as they want to get even with "whitey"... Nobody seems to care that Black women are the main opponents of interracial relationships.

 

[billbattle]

I'm sure there are circumstances where that happens, but not nearly to the degree you are saying. IMO, it's still an uphill fight for a large number of minority applicants.

Large corporations and federal government? Minorities are hired when all factors are equal (sometimes when less than equal).

 

[hndog609]

This may be the single dumbest sentence I've ever read on VolNation. And that's saying something.



But black coaches almost never get jobs that have much chance of success. Black coaches don't get jobs like Tennessee and Michigan and Ohio State and Oklahoma and Nebraska; they get jobs like Buffalo and New Mexico State and Mississippi State. (And a new one today -- Yale.) The only three major college programs I can think of offhand that have hired a black coach were UCLA (where Karl Dorrell was pretty lousy, but no worse than Bob Toledo was before him), Notre Dame (where nobody can win anymore, and Ty Willingham looks pretty good in hindsight), and Miami. And Randy Shannon seems to be doing pretty well there so far.

Most coaches are failures. It's just that the black guys get blamed for failing because they're black.

Mississippi St has no business being compared to Buff and NMSt. Maybe you forgot that the Bulldogs are the team we had to beat in the SECCG before playing for the NC

Look, call it a stigma or whatever makes you feel better but there needs to be a black college football coach take one of these opportunities that IS given and make something of it.

It's going to happen, and maybe it'll be Shannon at Miami but once it happens things will get easier. Start forcing people to hire black coaches that fail and it will make things MUCH worse.

 

[droski]

The only three major college programs I can think of offhand that have hired a black coach were UCLA (where Karl Dorrell was pretty lousy, but no worse than Bob Toledo was before him), Notre Dame (where nobody can win anymore, and Ty Willingham looks pretty good in hindsight), and Miami. And Randy Shannon seems to be doing pretty well there so far.
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dorrell was probably the worst coach in the pac-10, williinham was probably the second worse in the pac-10 when he was at washington, and shannon can barely break .500.

Sorry to dissapoint you but in this day and age in 99% of employment opportunities a minority applicant will certaintly get the benefit of the doubt. If you don't think that is true you must be pretty wet behind the ears.

hiring a minority for your small business is a lot different then hiring one to run your multi million dollar business which relies on rich rednecks to sustain itself.

 

[dantheman617]

never said AU was racist, all I said was reguardless of race Gill or Strong seem better candidates than Chizik!

Something we can agree on :dance:

 

[gasguy98]

dorrell was probably the worst coach in the pac-10, williinham was probably the second worse in the pac-10 when he was at washington, and shannon can barely break .500.



hiring a minority for your small business is a lot different then hiring one to run your multi million dollar business which relies on rich rednecks to sustain itself.

I don't really understand what your are writing in the last sentance.

Look, all I am trying to say is that I don't think in the year 2009 people are passing on blacks to be head coaches because of race. That kind of thinking is so 1980's.

Maybe Charlie Strong doesn't do well in interviews. Maybe he can't name the newspapers he reads or rubs the interviewer the wrong way.

Maybe his socks don't match or he smells like beef & cheese.

The bottom line is that if a big time program thought he would win them games and championships he would get the job.

 

[Vercingetorix]

Sorry to dissapoint you but in this day and age in 99% of employment opportunities a minority applicant will certaintly get the benefit of the doubt. If you don't think that is true you must be pretty wet behind the ears.

College coaching jobs aren't 99 percent of employment opportunities.

 

[gasguy98]

This may be the single dumbest sentence I've ever read on VolNation. And that's saying something.


Most coaches are failures. It's just that the black guys get blamed for failing because they're black.

I think you have one upped me there chief. Now THAT is a really stupid presumptuous statement. How would you know who gets blamed for what?

No wonder Caesar was able to conquer the Gauls if their chief thought the way you do.

 

[Vercingetorix]

dorrell was probably the worst coach in the pac-10, williinham was probably the second worse in the pac-10 when he was at washington, and shannon can barely break .500.

I think Shannon's off to a pretty good start; I expect pretty good things from Miami in the next couple of years. The point is that black guys in general aren't being given the keys to programs with the traditional ingredients of success. Notice how you've got a guy a few posts back protesting that Mississippi State doesn't deserved to be lumped in with Buffalo and New Mexico State, presumably because he thinks it's a pretty good job.

the last sentence of your quote is completely retarded. i'm so sick of hearing that crap

If black coaches' failures aren't being blamed on their skin color, then why did it ever get brought up in this thread? Mike Tomlin is doing just fine as coach of the Pittsburgh Steelers, and a couple of years ago we had a Super Bowl pitting two black coaches against each other. Black coaches can clearly succeed at the highest level of the sport, but yet here we are in this thread with guys complaining that they can't do the job.

 

[tennfanatic]

]I don't think race has anything to do with the HC hires in college football. If anything a black person may have a better chance because of race[/B].
If this talk keeps up the gov't will end up getting involved and force schools to at least interview someone from every racial group and maybe even women.

What is the breakdown of black players in the NFL? My guess is 60% or more.
If we continue this ridiculous talk then the NFL may be a social experiment and you will see 75% white players.

Does anyone think that would be right?
I don't.

I agree completely. Why do people always bring up race? I mean for God sake we elected a black president and people are still bitching about minorities not being treated right. People want jobs they are not qualified for and when they dont get the job they blame it on race.

 

[Vercingetorix]

I don't really understand what your are writing in the last sentance.

Look, all I am trying to say is that I don't think in the year 2009 people are passing on blacks to be head coaches because of race. That kind of thinking is so 1980's.

Maybe Charlie Strong doesn't do well in interviews. Maybe he can't name the newspapers he reads or rubs the interviewer the wrong way.

Maybe his socks don't match or he smells like beef & cheese.

The bottom line is that if a big time program thought he would win them games and championships he would get the job.

It's not even 80s; it's more like 60s. But consider how old your average country-club, top-level booster is. Those are the people whom Average College AD's job is to keep happy enough to keep writing huge checks. He's probably not racist at all, but he knows that his main constituents are a bunch of 70 year old rich white guys who grew up when black people were servants and marrying a white person was illegal. That's the difference between the NFL and college, as far as minority hiring goes: an NFL team's first priority is to win, while a college athletic director's first priority is to keep a bunch of "rich rednecks" (as Droski called them) happy.

As for Charlie Strong himself, sure. He may be a terrible interview, or whatever. One guy doesn't indicate anything. But the overall numbers -- 120 I-A football coaching jobs, something like 4 black coaches -- indicate there's a problem. I don't think that people are individually making overtly racist hiring decisions, necessarily, but the numbers clearly indicate that there's a bias in the overall system. If I hire the coach whom I sincerely think is best guy for the job, and you hire the best guy for the job too, and so do Jim and Larry and 100 other guys, but all 100 coaches end up being white guys, than it's pretty clear that skin color is a factor somehow.

 

[Vercingetorix]

I agree completely. Why do people always bring up race? I mean for God sake we elected a black president and people are still bitching about minorities not being treated right. People want jobs they are not qualified for and when they dont get the job they blame it on race.

Charlie Strong and Turner Gill are clearly qualified for good I-A coaching jobs.

I fully realize that the hillbilly nature of our fanbase means that 90 percent of you guys could give a crap whether any black man has a job as a coach anywhere. But just because somebody's whining about a situation doesn't mean there's not something wrong going on.

 

[hndog609]

Notice how you've got a guy a few posts back protesting that Mississippi State doesn't deserved to be lumped in with Buffalo and New Mexico State, presumably because he thinks it's a pretty good job.



Black coaches can clearly succeed at the highest level of the sport, but yet here we are in this thread with guys complaining that they can't do the job.

I was being pretty easy going about all this and stated, clearly, that not only was it just a matter of time before more black coaches took over more positions and agreed that your selection of Shannon at Miami just might be the guy that gets this ball rolling. Having said that:

You've got SEVERE comprehension issues if you believe MSSt has any business being compared to NMSt and Buffalo. For instance, wonder what the pay scale comparison is for the HC of those three schools? If I was trying to compare the MSSt job to, say, TN/FL/LSU/USC then you'd have an argument. I didn't and you don't.

As to your 2nd part I most certainly have not and don't immediately recall anyone in this thread saying a black head coach "can't" do the job at the college level. I will say, quite demonstrably, they as yet have not. Look dude, there used to be a stigma about black QB's. Good black QB's came along and that's pretty much a dead issue.

I'll say again, I can think of NOTHING that will do more damage to this idea of getting quality black coaches in good positions than forcing teams to make bad hires because they had to find somebody black to coach. Let good black coaches succeed and time will take care of the rest.

 

[orangeaid]

Charlie Strong and Turner Gill are clearly qualified for good I-A coaching jobs.

I fully realize that the hillbilly nature of our fanbase means that 90 percent of you guys could give a crap whether any black man has a job as a coach anywhere. But just because somebody's whining about a situation doesn't mean there's not something wrong going on.

So it's the hillbilly fanbase here in the south and at UT. Nice. If I issued a blanket statement like that against minorities you would come unglued.

 

[billbattle]

I think you have one upped me there chief. Now THAT is a really stupid presumptuous statement. How would you know who gets blamed for what?

No wonder Caesar was able to conquer the Gauls if their chief thought the way you do.

The Gauls were mostly French. Enough said?