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#51
ole_boi said:
By who? been any black churches lately?
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Even among black churches the vast majority have a much greater instance of liberal leaning, even if they are conservative on a few issues. And yes I have been to a "black church" more than a couple of times in the past year. I love the atmosphere, one of my best friends family invite us at least a couple of times a year.
 
#52
#52
ole_boi said:
I mean we can take it back to the difference between slaves and poor whites pre-civil/post civil if you want. that same mentality is still prevalent today.
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please explain this further. I don't understand what you are saying.
 
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KB5252 said:
Even among black churches the vast majority have a much greater instance of liberal leaning, even if they are conservative on a few issues. And yes I have been to a "black church" more than a couple of times in the past year. I love the atmosphere, one of my best friends family invite us at least a couple of times a year.
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A lot of black churches i are still led by people who still remember the civil rights era. this doesn't mean that you are considered an uncle tom if you aren't liberal.
 
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ole_boi said:
what part of my post did you read anything about me feeling disadvantaged? I agree with your point above about blacks doing well in their careers...my mother is one of those people and she instilled those same qualities in me. the point is, those "black people you know who didn't view themselves as disadvantaged..." much like you took a negative and made a positive, but assuming when what era you grew up in, they may have had it a bit more rough (see jim crow-segregation).
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Perhaps I misunderstood your post. I thought we were talking today.
 
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ole_boi said:
I mean we can take it back to the difference between slaves and poor whites pre-civil/post civil if you want. that same mentality is still prevalent today.
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Forgive me for not following your train of thought. If you are trying to say that white people immediately look upon African-Americans as inferior and/or subservient to their needs, then you are quite wrong.

If, you are trying to say that certain people are judged on sight alone, then I completely agree with you. However, I will not in any way confine that to a small selection of humanity. Every person who walks the earth is judged, both fairly and unfairly, on their appearance.

Sometimes these prejudices provide benefits, other times they create barriers. They are universal though and by no means are they solely a plight of African-Americans.
 
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joevol320 said:
i'm talking about the media. i've seen examples after examples of libs like jackson, sharpton. saying that if your black and conservative, you're not truly black.
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i'm not a jackson-shartpon apologist, but i do know that there are black conservatives who have a one on for both of them. I mean some black conservatives are "house negros", but that's not to say that some black libs aren't. i guess all i'm saying is that I don't really let jackson-sharpton-or the media make my decisions for me.
 
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ole_boi said:
i'm not a jackson-shartpon apologist, but i do know that there are black conservatives who have a one on for both of them. I mean some black conservatives are "house negros", but that's not to say that some black libs aren't. i guess all i'm saying is that I don't really let jackson-sharpton-or the media make my decisions for me.
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They might not make your decisions, however, it is more than apparent that they have certainly influenced your decision making process.
 
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ole_boi said:
i'm not a jackson-shartpon apologist, but i do know that there are black conservatives who have a one on for both of them. I mean some black conservatives are "house negros", but that's not to say that some black libs aren't. i guess all i'm saying is that I don't really let jackson-sharpton-or the media make my decisions for me.
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i'm not saying you do. what i'm saying is that they make these accusations with the media's help. the mainstream media doesn't challenge them on it but help carry the message. i do think that if you polled black churches on social issues, such as gay marriage, abortion, school choice. you would find their positions are very close to the same as white conservatives.
 
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therealUT said:
Forgive me for not following your train of thought. If you are trying to say that white people immediately look upon African-Americans as inferior and/or subservient to their needs, then you are quite wrong.

If, you are trying to say that certain people are judged on sight alone, then I completely agree with you. However, I will not in any way confine that to a small selection of humanity. Every person who walks the earth is judged, both fairly and unfairly, on their appearance.

Sometimes these prejudices provide benefits, other times they create barriers. They are universal though and by no means are they solely a plight of African-Americans.
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I guess more than black and white...it's about majority vs. minority. the title of this thread is "here we go again" and an article asking the question of whether or not BHO will have to be twice as good as a white president. I happen to agree. I'm not saying that this qualifies him as disadvantaged, mistreated, but the fact is a minority had to be a little more than a "C student" to become POTUS.
 
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ole_boi said:
By who? been any black churches lately?
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to imply black churches aren't a primary source of liberal support (and aren't anti black conservatives) and also don't perpetuate the black victim mentality is absolutely ludicrous.
 
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ole_boi said:
A lot of black churches i are still led by people who still remember the civil rights era. this doesn't mean that you are considered an uncle tom if you aren't liberal.
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no these leaders think they represent civil rights ideals. instead they condescend to their flock. the number that truly represent civil right ideals i.e. becoming your own man, standing up for what is right and taking responsibility for your actions, are unfortunetly few and far between these days.
 
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ole_boi said:
I'm not saying that this qualifies him as disadvantaged, mistreated, but the fact is a minority had to be a little more than a "C student" to become POTUS.
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Interesting shot to take at GWB, considering that BHO spent his first two years at Occidental (not exactly an academic giant).

You should also read up on the difference between fact and opinion.
 
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ole_boi said:
I guess more than black and white...it's about majority vs. minority. the title of this thread is "here we go again" and an article asking the question of whether or not BHO will have to be twice as good as a white president. I happen to agree. I'm not saying that this qualifies him as disadvantaged, mistreated, but the fact is a minority had to be a little more than a "C student" to become POTUS.
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I am having trouble following your logic. You say that you don't see Obama or yourself as disadvantaged because of race, but then you say that people prejudge you based on race and that Obama will have to perform at a much higher level to be considered successfulbecause of his race. I guess my question is what is your idea of disadvantaged?
 
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That's not much thinner a resume than running the Texas Rangers into the ground and being an accomplishment free governor of Texas.
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Did I miss the part where Bush entered into this topic? The article was about Obama.
 
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Vol_4_Life said:
Did I miss the part where Bush entered into this topic. The article was about Obama.
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isnt that the lib philosophy, they dont exactly address the issue, they just talk about how its all bush'f fault and then dont give a reason
 
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GASOUTHERNVOL said:
isnt that the lib philosophy, they dont exactly address the issue, they just talk about how its all bush'f fault and then dont give a reason
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yup it's 100% impossible to complain about obama to a liberal and not have it turn into an anti bush discussion. you'd think obama beat bush when he was running for reelection.
 
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yup it's 100% impossible to complain about obama to a liberal and not have it turn into an anti bush discussion. you'd think obama beat bush when he was running for reelection.
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I've noticed this as well. :question:
 
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droski said:
yup it's 100% impossible to complain about obama to a liberal and not have it turn into an anti bush discussion. you'd think obama beat bush when he was running for reelection.
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...any dumb reason anyone can bring up for voting Obama, one can come up with an equally dumb reason somebody voted for Bush.

Voted for Obama because he is black, voted for Bush because he believes in Jesus. Neither would have won the election without those electorates and both groups have equally stupid reasons.

Enviormentalists voted for Obama, big energy voted for Bush.

Pro-Choice voted Obama, Pro-Life voted Bush.

...and so on...and so on....
 
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