here's the deal folks

#51
#51
I understand we have a lack of talent on defense, but that doesn't excuse not matching up personnel wise. Butch was sitting in his 4-3 the majority of the game yesterday, even when S. Bama was out in 4 WR sets.. you just can't do that. We may lack talent compared to the SEC, but we blow S. Bama out of the water when it comes to talent. That was disgusting yesterday.
 
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butch has two choices. play to the current team's strengths (which is not this offense) and hinder the growth of future teams or begin running his system his way and getting people to learn it so that they will be better at it in 2014 and beyond. he has chosen, wisely i might add, that there is no time like the present and that they need to learn what they are supposed to be doing and how to play his style of football now rather than later. this was the main reason i thought 2014 would be better than 2013 in the first place.
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The day I find out a gator feels the same way I do on something as important as this is the day I need to walk away. Bye y'all. It's been fun.
 
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#53
99gator said:
i am seeing a lot of argument on this board and some of the displeasure seems to be not that tennessee will end up around 6-6 like most everyone thought, but how tennessee will arrive at 6-6. style points, if you will.

well, here's the deal for the season.

offense.

a spread offense....i don't care if it's a passing spread or a spread option....is more dependent on qb play than any other style offense. tennessee doesn't have a qb right now. i don't know if one is on the roster and needs time to mature. but, for the year 2013, tennessee does not have a qb.

tennessee does not have a dynamic running back and tennessee's offensive line has not grown up in this system.

butch has two choices. play to the current team's strengths (which is not this offense) and hinder the growth of future teams or begin running his system his way and getting people to learn it so that they will be better at it in 2014 and beyond. he has chosen, wisely i might add, that there is no time like the present and that they need to learn what they are supposed to be doing and how to play his style of football now rather than later. this was the main reason i thought 2014 would be better than 2013 in the first place.

due to all of that, you are going to have what you have right now. it's not going to change. it will be like this all year. don't be discouraged and don't be surprised. but, the only way to be more productive this season would be to abandon his offensive philosophy and that's not going to happen.

defense

there is a flat out talent problem, whether some of you want to acknowledge it or not.

the defensive end position....i would be banned if i gave an accurate description.

the speed at linebacker and in the secondary is lacking....particularly linebacker.

now, there are things that are not good fundamentally that you can coach. tackling, for instance. however, a lot of these guys now have played for multiple coordinators and multiple position coaches. i'm going to assume they have worked on tackling over the years. so, if guys still can't tackle, still can't take good angles, and are still out of position, that's on the players. they have been coached to do those things.

so, if all of this bothers you, don't watch the rest of this season starting this week because georgia is going to score as many as they choose to.

south carolina and alabama won't be much prettier.

it's a defense with talent problems. it's an offense with no qb playing in a system they are not suited for. because of that, there aren't going to be the hard fought, played them down to the wire, respectable losses that some of you are looking for to show progress.

the scary thing is i think the offense can make a significant leap next year if one of the freshman qb's are ready. however, i don't know how long it's going to take to fix that defense.
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Nice post I agree 100%

On defense we going from 3-4 to a 4-3 not a really big deal since most the players played a 4-3 the year before.

On offense going from a pro style to a spread will take a little longer because of the personal Is so much different. I want to pay the price now and play the best we can in butch's system with the wrong personal.
 
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Here is a question for you 99: If Butch was the gators coach how excited would you be for the future of gator football?
 
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99gator said:
i am seeing a lot of argument on this board and some of the displeasure seems to be not that tennessee will end up around 6-6 like most everyone thought, but how tennessee will arrive at 6-6. style points, if you will.

well, here's the deal for the season.

offense.

a spread offense....i don't care if it's a passing spread or a spread option....is more dependent on qb play than any other style offense. tennessee doesn't have a qb right now. i don't know if one is on the roster and needs time to mature. but, for the year 2013, tennessee does not have a qb.

tennessee does not have a dynamic running back and tennessee's offensive line has not grown up in this system.

butch has two choices. play to the current team's strengths (which is not this offense) and hinder the growth of future teams or begin running his system his way and getting people to learn it so that they will be better at it in 2014 and beyond. he has chosen, wisely i might add, that there is no time like the present and that they need to learn what they are supposed to be doing and how to play his style of football now rather than later. this was the main reason i thought 2014 would be better than 2013 in the first place.

due to all of that, you are going to have what you have right now. it's not going to change. it will be like this all year. don't be discouraged and don't be surprised. but, the only way to be more productive this season would be to abandon his offensive philosophy and that's not going to happen.

defense

there is a flat out talent problem, whether some of you want to acknowledge it or not.

the defensive end position....i would be banned if i gave an accurate description.

the speed at linebacker and in the secondary is lacking....particularly linebacker.

now, there are things that are not good fundamentally that you can coach. tackling, for instance. however, a lot of these guys now have played for multiple coordinators and multiple position coaches. i'm going to assume they have worked on tackling over the years. so, if guys still can't tackle, still can't take good angles, and are still out of position, that's on the players. they have been coached to do those things.

so, if all of this bothers you, don't watch the rest of this season starting this week because georgia is going to score as many as they choose to.

south carolina and alabama won't be much prettier.

it's a defense with talent problems. it's an offense with no qb playing in a system they are not suited for. because of that, there aren't going to be the hard fought, played them down to the wire, respectable losses that some of you are looking for to show progress.

the scary thing is i think the offense can make a significant leap next year if one of the freshman qb's are ready. however, i don't know how long it's going to take to fix that defense.
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I hate you Gator. :) But this is straight unvarnished truth. Anyone who did not know this was what we had was just willingly blind. I do not want Butch to waste this year of installing his system, just to make the losses look a little prettier. That is madness.
 
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#58
volgrad500 said:
UCF would beat us by two touchdowns
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You don't know that. It would be a game, but you don't know that. The state of our program is rebuilding, so yeah it would be a game. Anybody who denies that it would be a close game is not living reality that we are rebuilding.
 
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#59
99gator said:
i am seeing a lot of argument on this board and some of the displeasure seems to be not that tennessee will end up around 6-6 like most everyone thought, but how tennessee will arrive at 6-6. style points, if you will.

well, here's the deal for the season.

offense.

a spread offense....i don't care if it's a passing spread or a spread option....is more dependent on qb play than any other style offense. tennessee doesn't have a qb right now. i don't know if one is on the roster and needs time to mature. but, for the year 2013, tennessee does not have a qb.

tennessee does not have a dynamic running back and tennessee's offensive line has not grown up in this system.

butch has two choices. play to the current team's strengths (which is not this offense) and hinder the growth of future teams or begin running his system his way and getting people to learn it so that they will be better at it in 2014 and beyond. he has chosen, wisely i might add, that there is no time like the present and that they need to learn what they are supposed to be doing and how to play his style of football now rather than later. this was the main reason i thought 2014 would be better than 2013 in the first place.

due to all of that, you are going to have what you have right now. it's not going to change. it will be like this all year. don't be discouraged and don't be surprised. but, the only way to be more productive this season would be to abandon his offensive philosophy and that's not going to happen.

defense

there is a flat out talent problem, whether some of you want to acknowledge it or not.

the defensive end position....i would be banned if i gave an accurate description.

the speed at linebacker and in the secondary is lacking....particularly linebacker.

now, there are things that are not good fundamentally that you can coach. tackling, for instance. however, a lot of these guys now have played for multiple coordinators and multiple position coaches. i'm going to assume they have worked on tackling over the years. so, if guys still can't tackle, still can't take good angles, and are still out of position, that's on the players. they have been coached to do those things.

so, if all of this bothers you, don't watch the rest of this season starting this week because georgia is going to score as many as they choose to.

south carolina and alabama won't be much prettier.

it's a defense with talent problems. it's an offense with no qb playing in a system they are not suited for. because of that, there aren't going to be the hard fought, played them down to the wire, respectable losses that some of you are looking for to show progress.

the scary thing is i think the offense can make a significant leap next year if one of the freshman qb's are ready. however, i don't know how long it's going to take to fix that defense.
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This... because he thinks you are flat out too stupid to know anything about the team you pull for. He has to come down off his lofty perch to tell you how inferior UT football is.

DE for instance is a "tad" overplayed. Williams is playing well as are Walls and Miller. Vereen and Smith are just coming back from injury with Vereen playing like an absolute madman when he gets opportunities. Neither this unit nor the DT's even without Saulsberry has been the D's problem.

UT has played the strongest schedule to date of any SEC school. They have the same number of sacks as LSU and only two less than the MIGHTY Gators. NONE have been recorded by a LB or DB.

UT for the first time in several years is able much of the time to get pressure from the down linemen... but don't mind me. Listen to the condescending Gator fan.
 
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the scary thing is i think the offense can make a significant leap next year if one of the freshman qb's are ready. however, i don't know how long it's going to take to fix that defense.[/QUOTE]


Agree with your QB and RB analysis...we do have young WRs who have DROPPED a lot of passes that could have extended drives...but you are right, this offense MUST have a GREAT QB to run it....

Our opponents are doing exactly what I thought they would do--walking their safeties up and playing 8 in the box and daring Worley to beat us--and he can't. We have a lot of talent at WR, but IF this offensive system will ever work, we must have a legitimate deep threat on both sides of the field--and a TE who can stretch the field down the middle--and WE DON'T--or they haven't appeared yet.

Our OC also doesn't have a clue how to develop play-action and attack the middle of a two-deep zone, and has never even heard of a bootleg to exploit aggressive SEC defenses who over pursue to keep them honest.

If we had ANY starting RB from LSU, bama, UGa, Arky, or even Ole Sis--we would be much better. The holes are there, but our RB (Neal) doesn't have the vision or ability to find them and get those extra 5 or 10 yds from each run.

Defensively, I agree with most of your assessment. However, we are better on the DL this year. Having Maggitt out has hurt us at DE--but setting the edge hasn't been ALL of their fault. We have not gotten good play from our OLB in supporting the perimeter, and our CBs are non-existent in run support. Sutton is an extremely bright spot in our secondary, and Randolph is avg. SEC talent, but we're lacking at the other S and CB position.

Speed at LB is lacking--but speed is irrelevant when you don't seem to know your assignment and cannot get off of blocks. We can't cover the slant, the curl, or the TE in any pattern.

Jancek is NOT THE ANSWER....He couldn't get it done at UGA, and there's nothing to make me think he's gotten better with a few years under his belt.

Spurrier had the same problem at Fla in his first few years and finally got rid of his problem and hired Stoops--and finally won a NC...

The VOLS are down in these areas right now but will not stay DOWN...I believe CBJ has a hard row to hoe, and I believe that he is up to the task--but we'll see if he is flexible and willing to change or too stubborn to change in the next few years...He'll need a new DC--and I will NEVER believe this offense will win championships in the SEC...

Now there, see, I bit at the bait you tossed out there. What I also KNOW is that your Gators are on their way down to at least 4 losses this year--and it's only gonna get worse for you...

YOU can expect a painful experience watching the 'turds play UGA, LSU, USCe, and just might get blasted by ARKY this weekend....:salute:
 
#63
#63
smokey0625 said:
I'm sorry you didn't know to what you were talking. SC and the Vawls were in no different game situation. We both played poorly versus a team that we should have beaten worse. It's ok and move on.
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you my friend haven't watched much football to think SouthCarolina Tech and The Vols were in similar situations. UCF has a damned good football team and nice facilitys and a strong crowd yesterday..we was at home with a team thats barely even played FBS football! some guys are idiots!
 
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VolFootballlover said:
you my friend haven't watched much football to think SouthCarolina Tech and The Vols were in similar situations. UCF has a damned good football team and nice facilitys and a strong crowd yesterday..we was at home with a team thats barely even played FBS football! some guys are idiots!
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Like... Except name calling... We are on the same page tho. Considering Ucf has sec talent and we have S Alabama talent. Great coaching tho.
 
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deaconkane said:
Like... Except name calling... We are on the same page tho. Considering Ucf has sec talent and we have S Alabama talent. Great coaching tho.
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Not so much as name calling but kinda saying stop being a jack ass.... It just amazes me we are ready to cut the heads off 18-19 year olds and give the coaches a free pass game after game.. I'm just glad we won a nail biter.
 
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You know your coach is a POS when opposing fans come in here and try to make you feel good about your coach............I bet there was a lot of TN fans telling the gators how good Zook was!
 
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sjt18 said:
This... because he thinks you are flat out too stupid to know anything about the team you pull for. He has to come down off his lofty perch to tell you how inferior UT football is.

DE for instance is a "tad" overplayed. Williams is playing well as are Walls and Miller. Vereen and Smith are just coming back from injury with Vereen playing like an absolute madman when he gets opportunities. Neither this unit nor the DT's even without Saulsberry has been the D's problem.

UT has played the strongest schedule to date of any SEC school. They have the same number of sacks as LSU and only two less than the MIGHTY Gators. NONE have been recorded by a LB or DB.

UT for the first time in several years is able much of the time to get pressure from the down linemen... but don't mind me. Listen to the condescending Gator fan.
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i guess defensive ends have no responsiblities in defending the run.

and a little fyi, tennessee averaged 1.42 sacks per game in 2012. they are averaging 1.40 in 2013.
 
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northknoxvol said:
You know your coach is a POS when opposing fans come in here and try to make you feel good about your coach............I bet there was a lot of TN fans telling the gators how good Zook was!
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OMG! Really?? 5 games in and you are calling CBJ a p**** of s***??

smh
 
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#73
We haven't had a recruiting class out of the top 20 since fulmer but somehow we have a talent problem. There are teams that finish below us in recruiting every year that aren't struggling like we are. Note Vandy and Ole Miss. Bring back Cut! At least he can scheme with the talent that he has. Schafer and Ainge freshmen year 10 wins!
 
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99gator said:
i guess defensive ends have no responsiblities in defending the run.

and a little fyi, tennessee averaged 1.42 sacks per game in 2012. they are averaging 1.40 in 2013.
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He really has a single white female type of vibe about you lol. I thought you were dead on with just about everything you said.
 
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