Heupel vs Fulmer

#26
#26
Can't compare them. Heupel took over a mess.
This. We had a bad run of inept coaching and player development prior to Josh Heupel. If Heupel has one flaw it's his dedication to his quarterback. Joe Milton is a great person with tremendous physical skills, maybe better suited to a tight end (think Tebow post college) than a QB. CJH has hung his hat on Milton and it is what it is. Joe's not a bad QB, but certainly not instinctive and makes questionable decisions.
 
#27
#27
This. We had a bad run of inept coaching and player development prior to Josh Heupel. If Heupel has one flaw it's his dedication to his quarterback. Joe Milton is a great person with tremendous physical skills, maybe better suited to a tight end (think Tebow post college) than a QB. CJH has hung his hat on Milton and it is what it is. Joe's not a bad QB, but certainly not instinctive and makes questionable decisions.
Has all the physical tools.. All I'm going to say.. Heupel's ego may have got in the way thinking he could fix him.
 
#29
#29
Milton was very good in the first half yesterday because the play calling was very good and creative. We called
a lot of short passing plays, Milton was decisive with the ball, and we executed--getting good yardage on first down, which
enable us to get first down and keep the ball. We needed to stick with that in the 2nd half, but didn't. And it didn't help
that our good first-half defense disappeared. The whole team--including the coaches--fell apart in embarrassing fashion. To win
the first half by 13 points--and of course it should have been more--and then to lose the 2nd half by 27 was absurd. Ridiculous.
 
#30
#30
We may never have another HOF coach like Fulmer again! Should have given him a sabbatical. That makes the most sense!
Wish he had kept good coaches and kept winning, once he lost his good coaches it was over and he couldn't recover and ended up looking the fuhl he was. He is now a painful memory, move forward.
 
#31
#31
I’m still 100% bullish on CJH.

Bottom line. We are not very good at the QB position, but the rest of the team is very competitive with Alabama. Complain about the coaching all you want, but they game planned a way to be in a one-score game late on the road against Alabama…and we had the ball.

Milton just isn’t the guy to put the team on his back and carry it down the field. Instead, he held the ball too long…again…. The coaches simply cannot trust him on downfield routes.

If Nico is anywhere near as-advertised, CJH can get back to running his real offense and it will get very fun very soon.
See Zues1
How's the oline looking for 2024?
 
#32
#32
We may never have another HOF coach like Fulmer again! Should have given him a sabbatical. That makes the most sense!
Maybe should have rode it out for another year or so...He did have a decent class coming in..People were done with him though and he kind of was a my way or the highway guy.. The clawfense doomed him. Although that kind of offense gained traction after that.. Then Lame happened and you know the rest of the story..
 
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#33
#33
The secondary is taking a hit as well. The loss of starters due to graduation will be significant.

Tennessee will be experiencing some rough waters early on.
 
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LSU was a train wreck, Georgia recruiting was wide open, Auburn and Alabama were on probation. KY and Vandy were easy wins and South Carolina somehow managed to have a season that they lost every game.
Ole Miss had Billy Brewer and SC had some clown that went 1-10, but I can’t recall his name
 
#38
#38
LSU was a train wreck, Georgia recruiting was wide open, Auburn and Alabama were on probation. KY and Vandy were easy wins and South Carolina somehow managed to have a season that they lost every game.
1/3 of Fulmer's wins were against SC, UK and Vandy. Add in the season opener and homecoming and there were lots of cheap ones. He had 1 true competitor in the conf which is night and day different than what Heupel has to deal with
 
#39
#39
I’m still 100% bullish on CJH.

Bottom line. We are not very good at the QB position, but the rest of the team is very competitive with Alabama. Complain about the coaching all you want, but they game planned a way to be in a one-score game late on the road against Alabama…and we had the ball.

Milton just isn’t the guy to put the team on his back and carry it down the field. Instead, he held the ball too long…again…. The coaches simply cannot trust him on downfield routes.

If Nico is anywhere near as-advertised, CJH can get back to running his real offense and it will get very fun very soon.

Agree on still being bullish on Heupel. But one point worth noting… The QB not being good is 1000% on Heupel. Everybody that knows anything about football assumed this year would go exactly the way it has went because of the quarterback plate. The quarterback either has it or they don’t. When you see a guy that’s a third or fourth year player take 75+ snaps over the course of a couple of games… You’re generally able to say whether they have it or not. 90+ percent of our Fanbase felt he didn’t have it. He’s horrifically inconsistent as a passer, he isn’t a guy that makes explosive/athletic plays with his legs, and maybe worst of all doesn’t have a great mentor game (making intelligent decisions at times, knowing where the pressure is coming from, throwing the ball on time…)

We can’t give heupel a pass just because the qb is terrible. WTF is his deal with Milton? How different might the narrative be on heupel head? Milton never showed up here? It was really bizarre that it felt as if there was a little to no competition going back into his first season. Milton trotted out and took the first nap and no matter how horrific he was in that first game and a half, nobody else ever sniffed the field until he was injured. then, within about 20 offense of snacks, you recognized that hooker had all three of the major skills that we hadn’t seen in Milton. It was blatantly obvious there wasn’t a fair unbiased competition and for him because Milton and Hooker aren’t in the same stratosphere as players.

How could a quarterback guru not recognize the difference in an A+ future NFL player in an absolute garbage player that should be playing at the lower levels of cfb? It makes no sense.

Not only should Milton have never started ahead of Hooker to begin with but… Heupel should have easily recognized (what we all saw) in that Milton would never be a great quarterback here, and made a plan for life after Hooker. There were a number of good players in the portal and we had Tavon Jackson, who went through a year in the program. But Jackson knew it was going to be Miltons job, and there is no amount of trash play by Milton (or spectacular play by Jackson) that would change this fact. Josh Heupel was gonna die on that Hill. So he did what was unquestionably right for him and left.

So we could’ve been prepping T Jackson or gotten a guy from the portal over the last 2 cycles. But we didn’t. Heupel was always going to hand this years qb job to Milton on a silver platter.

Why?

Am I the only one that feels Heupel’s unwillingness or inability to recognize Milton for what he is is bizarre? He’s literally tied his entire legacy as a head coach to this 1 terrible qb. Move on man my god. If you’re going to struggle at quarterback play, why in the ever living hell are we not doing that with a guy that is the future here? Nico is going to come in next year with absolutely zero experience.
 
#41
#41
Agree on still being bullish on Heupel. But one point worth noting… The QB not being good is 1000% on Heupel. Everybody that knows anything about football assumed this year would go exactly the way it has went because of the quarterback plate. The quarterback either has it or they don’t. When you see a guy that’s a third or fourth year player take 75+ snaps over the course of a couple of games… You’re generally able to say whether they have it or not. 90+ percent of our Fanbase felt he didn’t have it. He’s horrifically inconsistent as a passer, he isn’t a guy that makes explosive/athletic plays with his legs, and maybe worst of all doesn’t have a great mentor game (making intelligent decisions at times, knowing where the pressure is coming from, throwing the ball on time…)

We can’t give heupel a pass just because the qb is terrible. WTF is his deal with Milton? How different might the narrative be on heupel head? Milton never showed up here? It was really bizarre that it felt as if there was a little to no competition going back into his first season. Milton trotted out and took the first nap and no matter how horrific he was in that first game and a half, nobody else ever sniffed the field until he was injured. then, within about 20 offense of snacks, you recognized that hooker had all three of the major skills that we hadn’t seen in Milton. It was blatantly obvious there wasn’t a fair unbiased competition and for him because Milton and Hooker aren’t in the same stratosphere as players.

How could a quarterback guru not recognize the difference in an A+ future NFL player in an absolute garbage player that should be playing at the lower levels of cfb? It makes no sense.

Not only should Milton have never started ahead of Hooker to begin with but… Heupel should have easily recognized (what we all saw) in that Milton would never be a great quarterback here, and made a plan for life after Hooker. There were a number of good players in the portal and we had Tavon Jackson, who went through a year in the program. But Jackson knew it was going to be Miltons job, and there is no amount of trash play by Milton (or spectacular play by Jackson) that would change this fact. Josh Heupel was gonna die on that Hill. So he did what was unquestionably right for him and left.

So we could’ve been prepping T Jackson or gotten a guy from the portal over the last 2 cycles. But we didn’t. Heupel was always going to hand this years qb job to Milton on a silver platter.

Why?

Am I the only one that feels Heupel’s unwillingness or inability to recognize Milton for what he is is bizarre? He’s literally tied his entire legacy as a head coach to this 1 terrible qb. Move on man my god. If you’re going to struggle at quarterback play, why in the ever living hell are we not doing that with a guy that is the future here? Nico is going to come in next year with absolutely zero experience.
Milton goes 28-41 for 271 yards 2 tds no int
Leads the team with 59 rushing yards.
You blame him for the loss?

You could just preface your comments with the fact that you are clueless about football, and like to go on drunken rants after losses…
 
#42
#42
I’m still 100% bullish on CJH.

Bottom line. We are not very good at the QB position, but the rest of the team is very competitive with Alabama. Complain about the coaching all you want, but they game planned a way to be in a one-score game late on the road against Alabama…and we had the ball.

Milton just isn’t the guy to put the team on his back and carry it down the field. Instead, he held the ball too long…again…. The coaches simply cannot trust him on downfield routes.

If Nico is anywhere near as-advertised, CJH can get back to running his real offense and it will get very fun very soon.

Same. I have no doubt Hype is THE GUY for this job. It was always going to be a step back year just given the talent we lost. I feel our defense has stepped up some but losing Hooker and the receivers has been brutal.

With that said, I think 9-10 wins is still very achievable. One thing no one wants to hear after the loss is that Hype has built Neyland back into a murderer’s row for opposing teams. That Georgia game is gonna be raucous.
 
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#44
#44
Disingenuous or not, the recruiting levels are what they are. We haven't won the SEC in a quarter century and we won't win it again until we string together 4-5 years of top 5 classes.
So Heuple has two more years according to your own diagnosis!
 
#45
#45
This. We had a bad run of inept coaching and player development prior to Josh Heupel. If Heupel has one flaw it's his dedication to his quarterback. Joe Milton is a great person with tremendous physical skills, maybe better suited to a tight end (think Tebow post college) than a QB. CJH has hung his hat on Milton and it is what it is. Joe's not a bad QB, but certainly not instinctive and makes questionable decisions.
I'll be the first to admit that JM lacks the football instincts to be in the Heisman discussion, but he looked good in the 1st half both passing and running the ball. Our play calling was too predictable. I still say we had a chance to win yesterday if they had played aggressive offense like we did last year, like we did in the 1st half....just throw the ball every down and even if we don't complete the pass, we have a good chance of getting a PI called on Bama. We should have thrown to the TE more and also had some plays where JM rolls out to try and complete some passes instead of standing in the pocket too long. We drove the ball down the field good and when we got to the red zone, revert back to trying to run up the middle when we should have been throwing the ball on every down. I'm sorry, I can't blame this on Milton
 
#47
#47
I’m still 100% bullish on CJH.

Bottom line. We are not very good at the QB position, but the rest of the team is very competitive with Alabama. Complain about the coaching all you want, but they game planned a way to be in a one-score game late on the road against Alabama…and we had the ball.

Milton just isn’t the guy to put the team on his back and carry it down the field. Instead, he held the ball too long…again…. The coaches simply cannot trust him on downfield routes.

If Nico is anywhere near as-advertised, CJH can get back to running his real offense and it will get very fun very soon.
But if he is as good as advertised he should be playing. If he is as good as advertised we will only have him 2 years, he will enter the draft after his junior year. So a wasted year for Nico.
 
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#49
#49
I'll be the first to admit that JM lacks the football instincts to be in the Heisman discussion, but he looked good in the 1st half both passing and running the ball. Our play calling was too predictable. I still say we had a chance to win yesterday if they had played aggressive offense like we did last year, like we did in the 1st half....just throw the ball every down and even if we don't complete the pass, we have a good chance of getting a PI called on Bama. We should have thrown to the TE more and also had some plays where JM rolls out to try and complete some passes instead of standing in the pocket too long. We drove the ball down the field good and when we got to the red zone, revert back to trying to run up the middle when we should have been throwing the ball on every down. I'm sorry, I can't blame this on Milton
But maybe they just don't trust Joe in the red zone?
 
#50
#50
The secondary is taking a hit as well. The loss of starters due to graduation will be significant.

Tennessee will be experiencing some rough waters early on.
Going to be young in some critical spots. Seems we say that every year. This team has a lot of Seniors..Can't replace experience very easily..
 

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