Heupel vs Pruitt vs Jones vs Dooley - Three Years In

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fossilfiction said:
You might be right, I have messed up typing before, let me check...

The math maths.

We must fire him.
26-12 is unacceptable for our program.

Get your mattress ready buddy, were going down town!
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No I was just saying the correct record. I’m 100% behind JH and all in on what he has done and heading!
 
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Sarms58 said:
Yep...Heupel has the best second best first 3 years since Bill Battle. Only Fulmer had a better start.
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Fulmer inherited a healthy program hitting its stride that was among the best in the conference. Heupel inherited a dumpster fire of the highest magnitude, a losing program with NCAA sanctions on top of a flood of transfers, many of whom were the best players on the last Pruitt team. It's not even comparable.
 
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tennesseeduke said:
At the end of the day it’s about 2 things:

Wins vs losses and the Jimmie’s and Joes on the field.

He’s doing a great job with both so far!
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"Jimmie's and Joes on the field" Kirby has proven this to be true.

While growing and getting better, IMO he's not a very good coach. After the Tennessee game he admitted:

Jenny: "Alright coach 28 straight wins...what is the winning formula for this program? You keep doing it."

Kirby: "Sign good players. Sign good kids. And get them to believe that, if they don't care who gets the credit, that they'll be very successful"

I would argue that nearly 300 traffic violations including reckless driving that killed two people probably does not fit in the "good kids" category. A super-soft schedule and a weak SEC East doesn't hurt those leg-humpers, either. I guess what I'm saying is, Kirby is no Saban - but he keeps winning in spite of his shortcoming because of the talent.

One other note about the Georgia program - for being such a "feeder system for the NFL", notice how much their players underperform on Sundays.
 
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casual-observer said:
"Jimmie's and Joes on the field" Kirby has proven this to be true.

While growing and getting better, IMO he's not a very good coach. After the Tennessee game he admitted:

Jenny: "Alright coach 28 straight wins...what is the winning formula for this program? You keep doing it."

Kirby: "Sign good players. Sign good kids. And get them to believe that, if they don't care who gets the credit, that they'll be very successful"

I would argue that nearly 300 traffic violations including reckless driving that killed two people probably does not fit in the "good kids" category. A super-soft schedule and a weak SEC East doesn't hurt those leg-humpers, either. I guess what I'm saying is, Kirby is no Saban - but he keeps winning in spite of his shortcoming because of the talent.

One other note about the Georgia program - for being such a "feeder system for the NFL", notice how much their players underperform on Sundays.
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I think Kirby did learn the two most important lessons Saban can teach:
1. you will not be a contender if you cannot stack top 5 recruiting classes
2. once you have stacked top 5 classes for 3 or more cycles, don't get cute and think you need a tricked-out system to win. Just let you talent play big boy football and beat the ever living hell out of everyone in the second half.
 
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casual-observer said:
"Jimmie's and Joes on the field" Kirby has proven this to be true.

While growing and getting better, IMO he's not a very good coach. After the Tennessee game he admitted:

Jenny: "Alright coach 28 straight wins...what is the winning formula for this program? You keep doing it."

Kirby: "Sign good players. Sign good kids. And get them to believe that, if they don't care who gets the credit, that they'll be very successful"

I would argue that nearly 300 traffic violations including reckless driving that killed two people probably does not fit in the "good kids" category. A super-soft schedule and a weak SEC East doesn't hurt those leg-humpers, either. I guess what I'm saying is, Kirby is no Saban - but he keeps winning in spite of his shortcoming because of the talent.

One other note about the Georgia program - for being such a "feeder system for the NFL", notice how much their players underperform on Sundays.
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Kirby is absolutely correct in that statement. You cannot teach talent into a kid but you can teach a talented kid. He and Saban are part of the few coaches that have been successful with a defensive mind set in modern day football. However they have been smart enough to realize that it takes a really good offense to win now because of the rules etc...in favor of offensive play.

John Wooden use to say, "I can't teach someone to be 7' tall but I can teach a 7' foot tall person to play basketball". Same discussion!
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
I think Kirby did learn the two most important lessons Saban can teach:
1. you will not be a contender if you cannot stack top 5 recruiting classes
2. once you have stacked top 5 classes for 3 or more cycles, don't get cute and think you need a tricked-out system to win. Just let you talent play big boy football and beat the ever living hell out of everyone in the second half.
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Agree 100%.

Need more proof...look what CBJ was able to do in '15 and '16 with young #6 and #4 ranked recruiting classes. He was simply unable to develop the talent in later years and let the locker room get out of control.
 
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sami said:
Fulmer inherited a healthy program hitting its stride that was among the best in the conference. Heupel inherited a dumpster fire of the highest magnitude, a losing program with NCAA sanctions on top of a flood of transfers, many of whom were the best players on the last Pruitt team. It's not even comparable.
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Absolutely. But I do give Fulmer a good bit of the credit for building the team he took over - the guy was a great recruiter as a position coach, coordinator and head coach.
 
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“In what was considered a “down year” for Coach Heupel, here is where he ranks vs every Tennessee team since 2010 with a bowl game left to go.

8 wins (3rd)
67% win percentage (3rd)
31.5 PPG (5th)
21.8 Opponent PPG (2nd)

Still one of the top coaches in CFB.”.. Luke Jackson
 
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fossilfiction said:
We need to stop comparing them. One is not like the others in the only way that matters.

Heupel 26-7
Pruitt was 15-19
Jones was 20-27
Dooley 15-21
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Heupel 26-12 (14-10 in SEC) 68% win overall
Pruitt 5-19 (2-16 in SEC) wins vacated for cheating 21%win overall
Jones 34-27 (14-24 in SEC) 56%
Dooley 15-21 (4-19 in SEC) 41%
Kiffin 7-6 (4-4 in SEC) 53%
Fulmer 152-52 (91-35 in SEC) 75%
Majors 116-62 (57-40 in SEC) 65%

Heupel has Vols trending right
 
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Evet Vols said:
Heupel 26-12 (14-10 in SEC) 68% win overall
Pruitt 5-19 (2-16 in SEC) wins vacated for cheating 21%win overall
Jones 34-27 (14-24 in SEC) 56%
Dooley 15-21 (4-19 in SEC) 41%
Kiffin 7-6 (4-4 in SEC) 53%
Fulmer 152-52 (91-35 in SEC) 75%
Majors 116-62 (57-40 in SEC) 65%

Heupel has Vols trending right
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Yes, he does. We are at the point where we need to stop saying it's rebuilding and getting there. Not saying fire him if it's 8 wins, but the goal has to be to compete for the east and that means 10+.
 
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fossilfiction said:
Yes, he does. We are at the point where we need to stop saying it's rebuilding and getting there. Not saying fire him if it's 8 wins, but the goal has to be to compete for the east and that means 10+.
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Where did you expect us to be starting 3 years ago?
Go Vols
 
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