Hey alleged Christians ....

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lawgator1

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If this is going to be a Christian nation that doesn't help the poor, either we have to pretend that Jesus was just as selfish as we are, or we've got to acknolwedge that He commanded us to love the poor and serve the needy without condition and then admit that we just don't want to do it.

-- Steven Colbert
 
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when did Jesus say it was the government's job to help the poor? That quote is completely twisted up and wrong (but perfect coming from you)
 
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I'm certainly no biblical scholar, but I've yet to see that anywhere in the Old or New Testament.

I'm waiting on someone to use the "he's just a comedian" excuse.
 
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The Bible is replete with statements that the wealthy should give up everything to help the poor.
 
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bleedorange1983 said:
Quoting Stephen Colbert on religion is the equivalent of quoting Casey Anthony on parenting.
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He makes a valid point. How can the likes of Bachmann or Perry tout Christian values while advocating massive cuts to the poor and the rich getting richer ?
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I don't remember them asking the rich to stop all donations to charities. Must have missed that.
 
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lawgator1 said:
If this is going to be a Christian nation that doesn't help the poor, either we have to pretend that Jesus was just as selfish as we are, or we've got to acknolwedge that He commanded us to love the poor and serve the needy without condition and then admit that we just don't want to do it.

-- Steven Colbert
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2 Thessalonians 3:10
 
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I mean, if u r going this route just say it is the failure of the local church for not reaching out and taking care of their communities.............freedom is,not govt assistance
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He also who had received the one talent came and said, "Lord, I knew you that you are a hard man, reaping where you did not sow, and gathering where you did not scatter. I was afraid, and went away and hid your talent in the earth. Behold, you have what is yours."
But his lord answered him, "You wicked and slothful servant. You knew that I reap where I didn't sow, and gather where I didn't scatter. You ought therefore to have deposited my money with the bankers, and at my coming I should have received back my own with interest. Take away therefore the talent from him, and give it to him who has the ten talents. For to everyone who has will be given, and he will have abundance, but from him who doesn't have, even that which he has will be taken away. Throw out the unprofitable servant into the outer darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."
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:unsure:
 
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2 Thessalonians 3
7 For you yourselves know how you ought to [j](N)follow our example, because we did not act in an undisciplined manner among you, 8 nor did we (O)eat [k]anyone’s bread [l]without paying for it, but with (P)labor and hardship we kept (Q)working night and day so that we would not be a burden to any of you; 9 not because we do not have (R)the right to this, but in order to offer ourselves (S)as a model for you, so that you would [m]follow our example. 10 For even (T)when we were with you, we used to give you this order: (U)if anyone is not willing to work, then he is not to eat, either. 11 For we hear that some among you are (V)leading an undisciplined life, doing no work at all, but acting like (W)busybodies.
 
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lawgator1 said:
He makes a valid point. How can the likes of Bachmann or Perry tout Christian values while advocating massive cuts to the poor and the rich getting richer ?
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No he doesn't.

There is no such thing as a Christian nation. There are individuals who are christians. Individuals are commanded to help the legitimately poor and needy. We are not commanded to be happy that are money is stolen from us and given to people who do not deserve it.

The thing is, I am pretty sure you know this. You are not stupid. You just like to bait people. You like to rig questions. 'When did you stop beating your wife?' type of questions. Anyone can see that I, or any christian, can be opposed to government action on a given topic but not think that I, or we, don't support private action.

Welfare is bad for the people on it. I firmly believe that. So, it is only christian to get people off of it.
 
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RespectTradition said:
No he doesn't.

There is no such thing as a Christian nation. There are individuals who are christians. Individuals are commanded to help the legitimately poor and needy. We are not commanded to be happy that are money is stolen from us and given to people who do not deserve it.

The thing is, I am pretty sure you know this. You are not stupid. You just like to bait people. You like to rig questions. 'When did you stop beating your wife?' type of questions. Anyone can see that I, or any christian, can be opposed to government action on a given topic but not think that I, or we, don't support private action.

Welfare is bad for the people on it. I firmly believe that. So, it is only christian to get people off of it.
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All it is is lawya speak
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Better throw Obama in the anti-Jesus crowd; his tax plan will directly lower charitable contributions - you know those direct ways that the rich help the poor.
 
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Nothing like driving by a church on Sunday morning and seeing a parking lot full of Mercedes Benzes and BMWs. The Gospels certainly make it clear that Jesus would have thought it's awesome to spend fifty thousand dollars on a car while people are poor in your city.

It's great how Christians can talk themselves into justifying the enormous amounts of money they spend on themselves. Apparently what's in the Bible is a lot more figurative than a lot of them would like to admit.
 
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so if you drive a nice car and aren't a Christian then it's a ok? You are only obligated if you are religious?
 
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volinbham said:
so if you drive a nice car and aren't a Christian then it's a ok? You are only obligated if you are religious?
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If you don't believe in a sky god who tells you over and over and over in his book that taking care of the poor is your #1 priority, then yeah, you can drive whatever car you want to. Because screw them.

Which is the attitude of most theocrat zealots anyway. What I don't get is how they square that up with the words in the Bibles that they carry to church every Sunday.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
If you don't believe in a sky god who tells you over and over and over in his book that taking care of the poor is your #1 priority, then yeah, you can drive whatever car you want to. Because screw them.

Which is the attitude of most theocrat zealots anyway. What I don't get is how they square that up with the words in the Bibles that they carry to church every Sunday.
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all Christians are hypocritical religious zealots and if you aren't religious you shouldn't give a crap about anyone but yourself. got it.
 
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volinbham said:
all Christians are hypocritical religious zealots and if you aren't religious you shouldn't give a crap about anyone but yourself. got it.
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A Christian who spends $50,000 on a car instead of $15,000 and a $35,000 check to the local food bank has creative way of reading Jesus's words in the Gospels.

If you're nonreligious, then it's up to your own conscience whether you help poor people or not. Nonreligious people have an actual excuse not to give a crap about anybody but themselves.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
A Christian who spends $50,000 on a car instead of $15,000 and a $35,000 check to the local food bank has creative way of reading Jesus's words in the Gospels.

If you're nonreligious, then it's up to your own conscience whether you help poor people or not. Nonreligious people have an actual excuse not to give a crap about anybody but themselves.
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do not agree
 
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The parable ofthe tallents has nothing to do with this thread not sure why that was included??? I do think as a Christian that we (christians) are/should give, but we must provide for our own as well. Now I guess the moral question is when are you providing for needs versus attaining wants, but that is a personal question that can only be answered truthfully by yourself...not on Volnation. I personally give to charities where possible, help with habitat for humanity, and really try help the downtrodden...but there is always room for improvement. Thankfully I answer to God who will judge my actions here and not any bloggers, politicians, or others.
 
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