Hey alleged Christians ....

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Vercingetorix said:
If you don't believe in a sky god who tells you over and over and over in his book that taking care of the poor is your #1 priority, then yeah, you can drive whatever car you want to. Because screw them.

Which is the attitude of most theocrat zealots anyway. What I don't get is how they square that up with the words in the Bibles that they carry to church every Sunday.
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I have mixed feelings about these comments, because on the one hand, there is a certain level of truth I think in your general statements with some/most Christians. But I think by you coming at this from (apparently) an atheist angle, you make the mistake of painting ALL Christians with a broad brush and assume that everyone with a Benz/Mercedes spends all of their money and resources on on material items and spend nothing on the poor. Plus, you seem to be giving poor people a pity pass. As though there is more virtue in being poor than in having wealth. The overall message of the Bible doesn't place a virtue of poverty in the way you seem to be doing in this post.

But on a certain level, I can see where you are coming from, because I know a few of these holy rollers that go to church every Sunday, but then turn around from Mon-Fri and screw The Man's eyes out either by riping off their employer any way possible or riping off the people around them by cheating/lying/stealing/scamming any which way they can. Unfortunately, I have to say that right now, I know more of the nefarious kind right now in my life than the virtuous. But I am not so jaded and PO'ed that I'm ready to give up on church/church folk.
 
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volinbham said:
do not agree
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Christians in America generally don't, which is why they live so lavishly while "foxes have holes and birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man [had] nowhere to lay his head."

We are an ostensibly Christian nation that doesn't care at all about whether people without jobs have basic health coverage. The most important thing in the world is a fetus, until the second it comes out of its mother and becomes a poor child, and then fsck it. Our public morality in this country is repellent.
 
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OsbourneBROS83 said:
The parable ofthe tallents has nothing to do with this thread not sure why that was included???
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The master took the resources from the poorest and least productive slave and gave the talent to the slave that had the most and was more productive. Then the master chastised the slave's inability to produce a return on his investment.

Now does that sound like the altruistic, kid glove treatment for the poor that Colbert and LG seem to be suggesting?
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Christians in America generally don't, which is why they live so lavishly while "foxes have holes and birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man [had] nowhere to lay his head."

We are an ostensibly Christian nation that doesn't care at all about whether people without jobs have basic health coverage. The most important thing in the world is a fetus, until the second it comes out of its mother and becomes a poor child, and then fsck it. Our public morality in this country is repellent.
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I've seen Catholic, Baptist, and Jewish hospitals in just about every city and most small towns in this country.

I've yet to see an atheist or Muslim hospital.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I have mixed feelings about these comments, because on the one hand, there is a certain level of truth I think in your general statements with some/most Christians. But I think by you coming at this from (apparently) an atheist angle, you make the mistake of painting ALL Christians with a broad brush and assume that everyone with a Benz/Mercedes spends all of their money and resources on on material items and spend nothing on the poor. Plus, you seem to be giving poor people a pity pass. As though there is more virtue in being poor than in having wealth. The overall message of the Bible doesn't place a virtue of poverty in the way you seem to be doing in this post.

But on a certain level, I can see where you are coming from, because I know a few of these holy rollers that go to church every Sunday, but then turn around from Mon-Fri and screw The Man's eyes out either by riping off their employer any way possible or riping off the people around them by cheating/lying/stealing/scamming any which way they can. Unfortunately, I have to say that right now, I know more of the nefarious kind right now in my life than the virtuous. But I am not so jaded and PO'ed that I'm ready to give up on church/church folk.
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If we're to accept the Gospels at anything even approaching face value, Jesus didn't seem to give the poor a so-called pity pass; Jesus didn't seem to care why they were poor at all. Jesus didn't ask his followers to care for the "deserving" poor. He told them to take care of the poor, period. That's how he said he would judge people on whether they'd get into heaven. I don't recall there being any criteria about whether the poor people were worthy of it. I genuinely don't understand how anyone who takes the Gospels seriously and ostensibly believes in what they say can justify buying a $50,000 car or an enormous McMansion, etc. This modern "God wants you to be rich" shat is absolutely contra everything in the Gospels.

FWIW, I am not an atheist.
 
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Oh Lord, won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz ?
My friends all drive Porsches, I must make amends.
Worked hard all my lifetime, no help from my friends,
So Lord, won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz ?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I've seen Catholic, Baptist, and Jewish hospitals in just about every city and most small towns in this country.

I've yet to see an atheist or Muslim hospital.
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There's a non-profit hospital less than 10 miles from me with no religious affiliation. It's one of the most prestigious hospitals in Atlanta. Perhaps you'd call it an "atheist hospital."
 
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Vercingetorix said:
If we're to accept the Gospels at anything even approaching face value, Jesus didn't seem to give the poor a so-called pity pass; Jesus didn't seem to care why they were poor at all. Jesus didn't ask his followers to care for the "deserving" poor. He told them to take care of the poor, period. That's how he said he would judge people on whether they'd get into heaven. I don't recall there being any criteria about whether the poor people were worthy of it. I genuinely don't understand how anyone who takes the Gospels seriously and ostensibly believes in what they say can justify buying a $50,000 car or an enormous McMansion, etc. This modern "God wants you to be rich" shat is absolutely contra everything in the Gospels.

FWIW, I am not an atheist.
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Again, your tone seems to indicate that you believe that Jesus had a disdain for wealthy people.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
If we're to accept the Gospels at anything even approaching face value, Jesus didn't seem to give the poor a so-called pity pass; Jesus didn't seem to care why they were poor at all. Jesus didn't ask his followers to care for the "deserving" poor. He told them to take care of the poor, period. That's how he said he would judge people on whether they'd get into heaven. I don't recall there being any criteria about whether the poor people were worthy of it. I genuinely don't understand how anyone who takes the Gospels seriously and ostensibly believes in what they say can justify buying a $50,000 car or an enormous McMansion, etc. This modern "God wants you to be rich" shat is absolutely contra everything in the Gospels.

FWIW, I am not an atheist.
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50K is not craxy money for a car anymore.

just saying.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Again, your tone seems to indicate that you believe that Jesus had a disdain for wealthy people.
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I have no idea what Jesus thought about wealthy people. All I have to go on is stuff like this:

17 And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? 18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
19 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother. 20 And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth. 21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.
22 And he was sad at that saying, and went away grieved: for he had great possessions.
23 And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God! 24 And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God! 25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
There's a non-profit hospital less than 10 miles from me with no religious affiliation. It's one of the most prestigious hospitals in Atlanta. Perhaps you'd call it an "atheist hospital."
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I went a tad far by saying "I've yet to see", because I'm sure there are non-denominational hospitals out there. So I will yield that point to you. But the overall point remains that you can't attack Christians on the health care issue when Christians have established hospitals not only in this country, but all over the world.

I made the error in understating the existence of non-religious hospitals. You, on the otherhand, are making the mistake of trivializing the contributions that Christians have made in health care when you made the statement you did about Christians and health care coverage.
 
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NEOCON said:
50K is not craxy money for a car anymore.

just saying.
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I drive my kids around in a Honda Fit, which is a great car with plenty of room for our stuff and which cost, brand new, $17,000. Spending $50,000 on a car gets you way out of "I am buying a conveyance to carry my family around to do the stuff we need to do" territory and into the "I am spending a lot of money on something that makes me feel awesome" area. Which is fine. But not if you have a book in front of you in which your god plainly tells you that you're supposed to spend your time and energy taking care of the poor.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Christians in America generally don't, which is why they live so lavishly while "foxes have holes and birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man [had] nowhere to lay his head."

We are an ostensibly Christian nation that doesn't care at all about whether people without jobs have basic health coverage. The most important thing in the world is a fetus, until the second it comes out of its mother and becomes a poor child, and then fsck it. Our public morality in this country is repellent.
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Here is an idea find a country with a public morality that you find palpable and move there...just a suggestion. The idea that all christians have no care whatsoever about poor people is ignorant. What have you done lately to help out your fellow man? Just like any other large population you cannot take the lot and say ANY GENERAL STATEMENT about them all. I suppose you would have us all redistribute wealth right? I mean the mere fact that you even have the oppurtunity to post on this website debunks your arguement. Get rid of the internet, sell your computer, sell your TV, all your VOLS gear and give it to the poor...dont lecture people about giving EVERYTHING or whatever amount that you deem appropriate just accept that there are those who give to the poor and those who dont. That has never changed
 
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The church is as private an organization as any. If they want to donate their collections to plasma tv's, projectors, sound systems, and better sac wine... what's wrong?

It's against their own creed, but who am I to give two turds?
 
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Vercingetorix said:
I drive my kids around in a Honda Fit, which is a great car with plenty of room for our stuff and which cost, brand new, $17,000. Spending $50,000 on a car gets you way out of "I am buying a conveyance to carry my family around to do the stuff we need to do" territory and into the "I am spending a lot of money on something that makes me feel awesome" area. Which is fine. But not if you have a book in front of you in which your god plainly tells you that you're supposed to spend your time and energy taking care of the poor.
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if you bring home 400k and buy a 50k car and give 15% to charities are you worse than the guy making 60k who drives a fit and gives 10% to charity.

why must someone live below their means just to make you feel better?
 
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Vercingetorix said:
23 And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God! 24 And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God! 25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
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What does that mean?
 
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Vercingetorix said:
I drive my kids around in a Honda Fit, which is a great car with plenty of room for our stuff and which cost, brand new, $17,000. Spending $50,000 on a car gets you way out of "I am buying a conveyance to carry my family around to do the stuff we need to do" territory and into the "I am spending a lot of money on something that makes me feel awesome" area. Which is fine. But not if you have a book in front of you in which your god plainly tells you that you're supposed to spend your time and energy taking care of the poor.
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50k is not alot of money to some people.

to you 50k is alot. but not to all. percentage to income your fit may be more than someone elses lotus.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
I drive my kids around in a Honda Fit, which is a great car with plenty of room for our stuff and which cost, brand new, $17,000.
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So what? Are you more virtuous than someone that drives a $50k car? The man that drives that $50k car may employ people... and offer health insurance.
 
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Ok well technically there is the social contract means to live by if you are not a follower of a religion...no?
 
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I think the point of this thread is volinbham and his 19 bmw's are going to hell.
 
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