Hey alleged Christians ....

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I wont sumatt said:
The needy are scattered all over the U.S. (and the world, for that matter). There are millions of people that are bound by their circumstances. Among these are children, the elderly, and the disabled. Children are mostly forgotten in the "pull yourself up" Republican agenda. They can eat at school, I guess.
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...or any one of the community centers or churches found in most, if not all, cities and communities. Its a false argument to imply that the government must feed and clothe the poor or they will starve and freeze. Plenty of private groups and organizations feed and clothe needy.
 
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#253
I wont sumatt said:
The needy are scattered all over the U.S. (and the world, for that matter). There are millions of people that are bound by their circumstances. Among these are children, the elderly, and the disabled. Children are mostly forgotten in the "pull yourself up" Republican agenda. They can eat at school, I guess.
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The children! Think of the children!
 
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lumberjack4 said:
...or any one of the community centers or churches found in most, if not all, cities and communities. Its a false argument to imply that the government must feed and clothe the poor or they will starve and freeze. Plenty of private groups and organizations feed and clothe needy.
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That is nonsense. Private organizations do not have the resources (or the ambition) to make up for what the government is providing for those in poverty. Beside that, the same people who don't want their tax money going to "lazy" people would have the same aversion to their tithe money providing for those people. Also: community centers are usually funded, to some degree, by local taxes.

There are many millions of people who would be sent to the streets at the end of the month if they did not receive benefits from the government. Some people are out of options, and it isn't always their fault.
 
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lawgator1 said:
If this is going to be a Christian nation that doesn't help the poor, either we have to pretend that Jesus was just as selfish as we are, or we've got to acknolwedge that He commanded us to love the poor and serve the needy without condition and then admit that we just don't want to do it.

-- Steven Colbert
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Who says we aren't helping the poor? Have you seen how much money this nation spends on welfare problems?
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I wont sumatt said:
That is nonsense. Private organizations do not have the resources (or the ambition) to make up for what the government is providing for those in poverty. Beside that, the same people who don't want their tax money going to "lazy" people would have the same aversion to their tithe money providing for those people. Also: community centers are usually funded, to some degree, by local taxes.

There are many millions of people who would be sent to the streets at the end of the month if they did not receive benefits from the government. Some people are out of options, and it isn't always their fault.
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What would be your % of people that truly can't take care of themselves? Lets stick with the US to keep it more simple.
 
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I wont sumatt said:
That is nonsense. Private organizations do not have the resources (or the ambition) to make up for what the government is providing for those in poverty. Beside that, the same people who don't want their tax money going to "lazy" people would have the same aversion to their tithe money providing for those people. Also: community centers are usually funded, to some degree, by local taxes.

There are many millions of people who would be sent to the streets at the end of the month if they did not receive benefits from the government. Some people are out of options, and it isn't always their fault.
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By the same token, the amount and type of aid has continually grown and it has done nothing to change the dynamic. In short, there is zero evidence that direct aid from the government helps people change their situation. However, there is evidence that as such direct aid grows, more people "need" it.

It's time to question the assumptions and see if there's a better way to help those who truly cannot help themselves.
 
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I wont sumatt said:
The needy are scattered all over the U.S. (and the world, for that matter). There are millions of people that are bound by their circumstances. Among these are children, the elderly, and the disabled. Children are mostly forgotten in the "pull yourself up" Republican agenda. They can eat at school, I guess.
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Of course. The children. Don't they have parents... at least the majority of them? And don't their parents already receive some type of support?

Nearly $70 million in California welfare money intended to house and clothe the needy was spent or withdrawn outside the state between January 2007 and this past May, the Times reported today. The tally includes not only the millions in Las Vegas but also hundreds of thousands in Hawaii and thousands on cruise ships sailing out of Miami, the newspaper said.
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If I recall correctly, I think Georgia reported approx. $48 million spent on liquor, strip clubs, golf outings, etc.

If only the government thought as much about the children as some of their parents do.
 
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I wont sumatt said:
That is nonsense. Private organizations do not have the resources (or the ambition) to make up for what the government is providing for those in poverty.
True. The government gives way too much money to people via social programs. Private groups would not make sure that the people they are assisting could afford big screen TVs and other luxuries. The purpose of welfare is not to live comfortably off the backs of someone else, but to have the absolute bare minimum to survive while you get back on your feet. In a time of financial hardship, the luxuries are the first thing to go.

Beside that, the same people who don't want their tax money going to "lazy" people would have the same aversion to their tithe money providing for those people.
Right again lazy people will quickly have their assistance cut off, while those who are in need of assistance but are working to quickly become self sufficient again will benefit from charity. I'm not going to help someone with the means to take care of themselves but is too lazy to do it. These people shouldn't be on welfare to begin with so its another win. The current problem with our welfare programs is that it does nothing to punish the people that are all too happy to continue to live on welfare.

Also: community centers are usually funded, to some degree, by local taxes.
The amount of tax dollars these groups get compared to welfare checks written by the government is miniscule, but don't worry I'm all for removing tax funding from these groups because it should be 100% private.

There are many millions of people who would be sent to the streets at the end of the month if they did not receive benefits from the government. Some people are out of options, and it isn't always their fault.
How did these people survive before the government started giving them handouts? Was the streets of our nation filled with the homeless in the 1800's?
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See bold.
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
nope, just wondering what the text had to do with the discussion......random passage
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Resources were taken from the poorest/least productive slave and given to the richer/more productive. Not exactly Robin Hood or the socialist utopia that LG and Colbert are trying to advance. Even the least of us have a responsibility to ourselves and to others to be productive.
 
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volinbham said:
Hard to say the current admin cares about the poor since their policies have resulted a growing number of poor people.
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Maybe he wants them to have more friends :p



mtt2d said:
I'll try to explain what it means to follow Jesus here.

Jesus says in Mark 8:34 that if anyone come after me, let him deny himself, take up his cross and follow me.

Matthew 10:38 states that he who does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me.

I've tried to follow Him for years, and fall short every day.
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This in no way addresses how accepting Christ magically makes the Bible easier to comprehend.


OsbourneBROS83 said:
OK I never said you were obligated to do so...i was speaking to the other guy who said that he thinks that Christians are hypocrites and dont give all the while he is talking about putting money toward a extravagant vacation. Social Contract btw...everyone does it when you do obey the laws so not real sure what you are arguing here. If you dont want to give to the poor or think universal health care is the cure that is fine with me but dont call Christians hypocrites when that is the very definition.
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Hey, I never said all Christians were hypocrites. However, a great deal of them are. I belonged to various churches over the course of about 10 years, and it was harder to pick out the sincere followers of the Bible's teachings from those who were playing the popularity contest. Also, I said I obeyed the laws that I think are good and just. Most of them fall under that category, fortunately, but there are plenty of laws that I can/do break with a sound conscience. As for the betterment of my fellow man? I really don't care about strangers as long as they don't die of starvation, which is why the only charity I trust is giving a hobo a sandwich or a cold beer.

OsbourneBROS83 said:
Why post in it then???
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Because there's more to discuss in this thread than the Christian's ability to interpret the Bible versus the atheist's. Not that my reasons of posting should be of any concern to you.

OrangeEmpire said:
First contact with the holy spirit is conviction of sin
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Been there, done that. Didn't feel anything but foolish.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
This in no way addresses how accepting Christ magically makes the Bible easier to comprehend.



I belonged to various churches over the course of about 10 years, and it was harder to pick out the sincere followers of the Bible's teachings from those who were
playing the popularity contest.

Because there's more to discuss in this thread than the Christian's ability to interpret the Bible versus the atheist's. Not that my reasons of posting should be of any concern to you.
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The Bible is the inspired word of God . The Bible has to read spiritually.
The unbeliever reads the Bible with a carnal mind and just get confused.
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