Hey Obama, look up in the Sky!!! Pathetic but Funny.

[KB5252]

Yep. Hell, at this point I am not even so keen on defending him as much as exposing certain wingnuts, again.

You sound as though you are a little jaded. Welcome to the club, Repubs certainly understand that feeling these days.

 

[emainvol]

You sound as though you are a little jaded. Welcome to the club, Repubs certainly understand that feeling these days.

I am tired of government in general. My "side" doesn't know how to listen to economists that would know how to work on this problem and seems much more intent on sticking it to the Republcans. The other side is full of people who scream "tyranny" and "fascism" every chance they get, which in turn pisses off crazy people, who then shoot cops. Neither side gets it, and then there are those of us stuck somewhere in the middle, wondering why those to the right and left of us seem so obsessed with nurturing a culture of fear.

So my conclusion: I need a gun.

 

[KB5252]

I am tired of government in general. My "side" doesn't know how to listen to economists that would know how to work on this problem and seems much more intent on sticking it to the Republcans. The other side is full of people who scream "tyranny" and "fascism" every chance they get, which in turn pisses off crazy people, who then shoot cops. Neither side gets it, and then there are those of us stuck somewhere in the middle.

So my conclusion: I need a gun.

You are very correct about neither side getting it. It has been a game of "sticking it to the other side" for some time now. The best scenario i can see moving forward is that the Repubs gain some seats and force Obama to move toward the center some. I still like the idea of the president being opposed by the other party holding the majority in the house and senate, that way nobody gets too big for their britches (I know it isn't perfect but the best we can hope for right now). I'm afraid it is going to take a big upheaval by the people to force our politicians to "get it".

 

[vols4sure]

So my conclusion: I need a gun.

was not expecting that. Made me laugh

 

[gsvol]

“Malcolm’s discovery toward the end of his life, that some whites might live beside him as brothers in Islam, seemed to offer some hope of eventual reconciliation.”

I did misquote that one, begging your pardon, but you do understand Malcolm X was a prominent leader of the Nation of Islam???

The way I read the quote from Obama is that reconciliation with whites is only possible under Islam, how do you read that.

Do you have any religious affiliation yourself??

Is there some hope that we could eventually reconcile with the liturgy of the vegan religion of Charlie Manson??

You do understand what NOI leaders teach???

Allah had originally created the black race before all others, followed sequentially by the brown, red, and yellow races. The white race, said Muhammad, was created some 6,000 years ago, not by Allah but by a renegade black scientist named Yakub. In Muhammad's view, "the whole Caucasian race is a race of devils . . . the evil and murderous race."

(Malcolm X) embraced a species of revolutionary Marxism that was not overtly racist,......

He had probably learned of 'taqqiya' by then.

As recently as 1993, Farrakhan tried to justify Malcolm X's assassination when he said in a speech, "Was Malcolm your traitor or ours? And if we dealt with [Malcolm] like a nation deals with a traitor, what the hell business is it of yours?

Obama has seemed to have no problem having NOI members work on his staff over the years, what does that say about Obama???

The connections between Farrakhan, Wright and Obama have been quite cozy over the past twenty years or so.

Furthermore Farrakhan and Wright paid a visit to Libya to confer with Qadaffi and recently Qadaffi and Obama were the top political campaign supporters of the marxist presidential candidate in Kenya who had the support of the muslims.

In the early 1990s, NOI entered into a "sacred covenant" with the NAACP, which was then under the leadership of Benjamin Chavis. Chavis, who would later join NOI and change his surname to Muhammad, pledged never to "forsake Mr. Farrakhan as my brother." In September 1993, NOI announced that it had joined in yet another "sacred covenant" -- this time with the Congressional Black Caucus.

So that's why Fidel recently asked CBC members what he could do to help Obama.

“The person who made me proudest of all was Roy. Actually, now we call him Abongo, his Luo name, for two years ago he decided to reassert his African heritage. He converted to Islam, and has sworn off pork and tobacco and alcohol.”

Does that statement not speak for itself??

Would it be your proudest moment if one of your family members converted to islam??

I assume these are the quotes you are talking about. Once again gs, you have shown that you either 1) lack the ability to comprehend what you read, 2) are an out and out liar, or 3) both of the above.

Thanks for your consideration, I can only hope that someday you will pull your head from the sands of denial and perhaps be a bit more civil to boot.

By the way, YOU are the one who would never relent on the Odingo MoU even after I presented evidence that shot your whole copy and paste, wingnut bs down. In other words, eat it.

That is an out and out lie on your part.

You refuted nothing.

Islam seems to be very good at suppressing culture, IMO. I don't know a lot about it - but the power of the islamic leaders seems to have a way of doing that....

FYP.

Islam isn't just a spiritual teaching, it incorporates spirituality with a political and legal system that teaches that islam must be dominate and must rule, not only where it is prevelent but for the whole world and further, that if not acheivalbe by peaceful means, then any sort of violence may be used and is even required
by it's followers.

 

[HawaiiVol]

“The person who made me proudest of all was Roy. Actually, now we call him Abongo, his Luo name, for two years ago he decided to reassert his African heritage. He converted to Islam, and has sworn off pork and tobacco and alcohol.”

Does that statement not speak for itself??

Would it be your proudest moment if one of your family members converted to islam??

Reading comprehension is your friend. He said he was the proudest of Roy, not that it was his proudest moment.

I haven't read the book, but I'm guessing that taken in context, there were other people he talked about as well, but he was proudest of Roy.

 

[TennTradition]

FYP.

Islam isn't just a spiritual teaching, it incorporates spirituality with a political and legal system that teaches that islam must be dominate and must rule...

That is basically what I meant by the church leaders' "power"

 

[emainvol]

I did misquote that one, begging your pardon, but you do understand Malcolm X was a prominent leader of the Nation of Islam???

The way I read the quote from Obama is that reconciliation with whites is only possible under Islam, how do you read that.

Please explain how you get that. That's not even close.

Do you have any religious affiliation yourself??

Absolutely not.


Does that statement not speak for itself??

Would it be your proudest moment if one of your family members converted to islam??

You still can't read it. He said he was proudest of Roy. If my brother was in bad shape and were to get his life in order by converting a any religion, I would have no problem with that.



Thanks for your consideration, I can only hope that someday you will pull your head from the sands of denial and perhaps be a bit more civil to boot.

Why would I do that? You are representative of one of the main problems in this country, the propensity of jackasses to try to advance the culture of fear.



That is an out and out lie on your part.

You refuted nothing.

Yes, I did. Just because you conveniently lack a PDF reader doesn't mean that I didn't produce the evidence. You can't deny that I shot your quotes down.

.

 

[gsvol]

I'm sure there are some that would want to dredge it up. If it isn't dead it should be. No matter what you believe about his past it doesn't matter, he is the president.

'By what authority' is Obama president?

..........it's clear that Obama has something in the documentation of his history, including his birth certificate, college records and other documents, "he does not want the public to know."

What else could be the reason for his hiring law firms across the nation to fight any request for information as basic as his Occidental College records from the early 1980s??, ...............

While an Obama spokesman one time called the allegations "garbage," the president and his team have withheld other comments.

 

[emainvol]

Reading comprehension is your friend. He said he was the proudest of Roy, not that it was his proudest moment.

I haven't read the book, but I'm guessing that taken in context, there were other people he talked about as well, but he was proudest of Roy.

Prepare to be spun.

 

[emainvol]

'By what authority' is Obama president?

His mother was American. It doesn't matter.

Out of the cases listed at the bottom of that link, almost every single one has been denied a hearing, wonder why?

 

[KB5252]

'By what authority' is Obama president?

But what does that matter now? He has been sworn in as president. I am not a fan of his or his policies but I would tend to think that a good part of the reason for trying to keep some information from public knowledge is to keep from it being used in legal maneuvering to embarrass him and try to drag him through the mud. Despise him all you want but that would be terrible for the country no matter who is in power.

So far none of this has gained any traction, if there were truly bombshells out there they would most likely be leaked and we would know all about them.

 

[gsvol]

That is basically what I meant by the church leaders' "power"

Please explain how you get that. That's not even close.

What do you understand Obama's words about the Malcolm X's beliefs to mean.

BTW they killed Malcolm but Obama still employs those with ties to the people who killed Malcolm for his so-called heresy.


Absolutely not.

No surprise there.

What is surprising is how personally you take these discussions.

Why is that??

You still can't read it. He said he was proudest of Roy. If my brother was in bad shape and were to get his life in order by converting a any religion, I would have no problem with that.

So Roy was in bad shape, that's news to me, on what do you base that statement?

Why would I do that? You are representative of one of the main problems in this country, the propensity of jackasses to try to nurse the culture of fear.

No I would say jackasses like you are our biggest problem in America today.

I am certainly NOT advocating a culture fear, the two words found most frequently in the Bible are "FEAR NOT."

I am though trying help people be more knowledgeable for knowledge is power, I will add that I find no help from you in that effort.


Yes, I did. Just because you conveniently lack a PDF reader doesn't mean that I didn't produce the evidence. You can't deny that I shot your quotes down.

I repeatedly asked what was in your document, I reproduced my document here for everyone to read.

You shot nothing down, you produced a quote of the BBC from the Kenyan muslim leader denying he had made an agreement with Odinga when he had previously had said there was such an agreement.

Again, do you understand the islamic tradition of 'taqqiya?'

If the islamic leaders weren't in league with Odinga, why did they resort to rioting and mob rule when Odinga lost the election and continued to riot until Odinga was offered the position of prime minister???

BTW those riots saw hundreds killed and hundreds of thousands made to be refugees, not to mention shops and markets put out of business.

There were many Christian churches damaged or destroyed, women and children were burned to death while seeking safety in at least two, but no mosque was damaged and on behalf of the candidate Obama had used his 'community organizing' skills and money to support.

Are you so dense that you can't grasp that???

I only asked that you give your opinion about that and all you can do is deny the whole thing and spew petty, childish insults at me.

That is basically what I meant by the church leaders' "power"

But islam doesn't have churches, they have mosques.

Why is it every time we start having this discussion you equate Christianity with islam??

Reading comprehension is your friend. He said he was the proudest of Roy, not that it was his proudest moment.

I haven't read the book, but I'm guessing that taken in context, there were other people he talked about as well, but he was proudest of Roy.

Here are more direct quotes from Obama.

 

[emainvol]

Good job gs, you complain about my civility then proceed to call me dense.

Obama meant exactly what he said, it's not that hard to comprehend. Malcolm X realized that there could be white Muslims, this discovery made him rethink his idea of white people.

I take these discussions personally because I am sick and tired of people like you, plain and simple. The politics forum was, at one point, a great place for constructive debate. I have even learned a thing or two. Then some of you came along and decided to ruin in with your wingnut propaganda. As for the religion thing, I am pretty sure your God doesn't like liars. You should work on that.

If you want to help people become more knowledgeable, perhaps you should quit misquoting books and producing phony documents. Everyone with a PDF reader could easily read it. I told you what was in it, and you couldn't accept that, you just chose to spin the discussion in a different direction. You don't want to admit you are wrong, fine. Every sane individual on this site knows it, I know it, and I can deal with that.

 

[gsvol]

His mother was American. It doesn't matter.

Out of the cases listed at the bottom of that link, almost every single one has been denied a hearing, wonder why?

Wonder why Obama is so secretive about his documentation??

But what does that matter now? He has been sworn in as president. I am not a fan of his or his policies but I would tend to think that a good part of the reason for trying to keep some information from public knowledge is to keep from it being used in legal maneuvering to embarrass him and try to drag him through the mud. Despise him all you want but that would be terrible for the country no matter who is in power.

So far none of this has gained any traction, if there were truly bombshells out there they would most likely be leaked and we would know all about them.

So far.

The left has no problem with mudslinging, even if they have to make it up.

 

[emainvol]

Wonder why Obama is so secretive about his documentation??

His mother was American, it doesn't matter.

 

[KB5252]

Wonder why Obama is so secretive about his documentation??



So far.

The left has no problem with mudslinging, even if they have to make it up.

Exactly, this is why I have no problem with any president trying to keep certain aspects of their life from being public knowledge.

 

[emainvol]

Exactly, this is why I have no problem with any president trying to keep certain aspects of their life from being public knowledge.

one of the multitude of reasons that I can get along with you and people like you. You have the ability to think critically and logically.

 

[TennTradition]

But islam doesn't have churches, they have mosques.

Why is it every time we start having this discussion you equate Christianity with islam??

Yeah..that's all I do in these conversations...equate Christianity and Islam.....:crazy:

...should have said religious, not church, I guess....but I'm pretty sure everyone knew what I meant...

 

[emainvol]

Yeah..that's all I do in these conversations...equate Christianity and Islam.....:crazy:

...should have said religious, not church, I guess....

Shhhh... don't argue with the always honest, truth-bringer.

 

[gsvol]

Good job gs, you complain about my civility then proceed to call me dense.

If the shoe fits.

I'll ask one more time, what is your opinion of Obama's support of Odinga in Kenya. Do you think this says anything about Obama's true political leanings?? (It should.)

Obama meant exactly what he said, it's not that hard to comprehend. Malcolm X realized that there could be white Muslims, this discovery made him rethink his idea of white people.

Wow, that's stupendous and what did Obama think of that??

I take these discussions personally because I am sick and tired of people like you, plain and simple. The politics forum was, at one point, a great place for constructive debate. I have even learned a thing or two. Then some of you came along and decided to ruin in with your wingnut propaganda. As for the religion thing, I am pretty sure your God doesn't like liars. You should work on that.

Well I am sick and tired of some things also, but I don't let that inhibit my ability to be objective.

Our debate hasn't been constructive??

Speaking of wingnut propaganda, are you trying to say Obama isn't hooked up with all sorts of marxist and muslim wingnuts??

If you want to help people become more knowledgeable, perhaps you should quit misquoting books and producing phony documents. Everyone with a PDF reader could easily read it. I told you what was in it, and you couldn't accept that, you just chose to spin the discussion in a different direction. You don't want to admit you are wrong, fine. Every sane individual on this site knows it, I know it, and I can deal with that.

You didn't prove my document was phony by any means.

Again, what is in your PDF link and how can you prove it isn't as phony as Barry's certificate of live birth??

I have no problem with admitting I am wrong, that problem frequently comes to rest right in your lap though.

 

[emainvol]

You didn't prove my document was phony by any means.

Again, what is in your PDF link and how can you prove it isn't as phony as Barry's certificate of live birth??

I have no problem with admitting I am wrong, that problem frequently comes to rest right in your lap though.

We are talking about two completely different things here. Odinga, MoU. Ring a bell, or have you completely forgotten that you produced an apparently "official" document that lacked witness signatures?

 

[OrangeEmpire]

We are talking about two completely different things here. Odinga, MoU. Ring a bell, or have you completely forgotten that you produced an apparently "official" document that lacked witness signatures?

I see you replaced me with gsv as your new post padding buddy.

 

[emainvol]

@gsvol

Also, and this is probably an understatement, I would think that constructive debate with you for ANYONE is a rarity.

With that said, why do you even feel the need to respond to me anymore if I am so dense?

 

[emainvol]

I see you replaced me with gsv as your new post padding buddy.

Believe me, I'm regretting it.