Higgs boson?

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#126
No. The carbon still would've had to form from stars in our universe first. Matter as we know it wasn't formed until after the big bang.
 
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#127
Thrasher865 said:
No. The carbon still would've had to form from stars in our universe first. Matter as we know it wasn't formed until after the big bang.
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Big bang theory is about to bite the dust.

You answered my question in the context of the big bang theory.

Not what my question was.
 
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#128
Okay, NEO. With your infinite scientific wisdom, explain to us all how the BBT is about to "bite the dust."
 
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PKT_VOL said:
The prevailing wisdom now is that our universe came from another or other universes and that our universe or at least parts of it will make or help create another universe when our universe no longer exist. So in essence, it didn't come from nothing. However, it opens up a can with the cosmological argument for God's existence.
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Is that really the "prevailing wisdom?" I don't think that's the most popular theory. Are you describing "M" theory?
 
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#131
rjd970 said:
The flood. It makes perfect sense every animal kind on earth lived within walking distance of the ark.

It's embarrassing that educated people living in the 21st century actually believe this fairytale.
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Take it to the next level, bible also says 7 of each kind
 
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#132
Thrasher865 said:
Okay, NEO. With your infinite scientific wisdom, explain to us all how the BBT is about to "bite the dust."
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First you have to take this red pill.

You can choose to take the blue pill and life will go on the same for you.

It is your choice.

But choose wisely.
 
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NEOCON said:
First you have to take this red pill.

You can choose to take the blue pill and life will go on the same for you.

It is your choice.

But choose wisely.
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Let me translate:

"I have no clue what I'm talking about, so I'll just stop talking and leave you with this not-so-clever retort."
 
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#139
Thrasher865 said:
Let me translate:

"I have no clue what I'm talking about, so I'll just stop talking and leave you with this not-so-clever retort."
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It was clever wasn't it.


Fine though I'll play your game.

I think scientist will begin to notice that the universe was created by 6 strings (6 days) that all came close together and built on each other. I think they will also realize these 6 strings are all connected to anther string (the seventh string) that has 4 more strings coming off of it with these 4 strings surrounding the 6. They will also realize that the 6 strings that created this planet had finite strings that wrap back to the 7th on both ends that creates a never ending loop of 11. Thus the strings here are kept in place by surrounding strings.


There ya go.
 
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Thrasher865 said:
I really can't tell when you're being serious. Either way, I'll just stop.
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Impressive. Most impressive. PKT has taught you well. You have controlled your fear. Now, release your anger. Only your hatred can destroy me.
 
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#142
NEOCON said:
This just opened up a huge can of worms.

PKT honest question...if this universe came from another universe could that be throwing off the carbon dating age of "the" material as it pertains to its time in this universe in your opinion?
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It should not. As far as we know, the natural laws of the universe, our universe, were fixed at the conception of the universe. Other universes could have other natural laws which govern them. I guess in theory those other universes could have effected our current laws; however our current laws seem to be fixed and stagnant.

Carbon dating measures the radioactive decay of Carbon-14 (basically a Carbon-12 atom plus two more neutrons) which is an isotope of the normal Carbon-12 atom. Radioactive decay normally works just fine, but recently scientists have found that radioactive decay can sometimes change due to environmental factors. It is typically pretty rare but had lead to some skepticism of it being used as an aging tool.

However, if our universe came from another universe, it opens the cosmological argument for the existence of God. If you don't know the cosmological argument, it was originated by Aristotle and basically asks 'who is the first unmoved mover?' Also phrased as the 'uncaused cause'.
 
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#143
Thrasher865 said:
Is that really the "prevailing wisdom?" I don't think that's the most popular theory. Are you describing "M" theory?
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Not necessarily. There are several leading theories out there that either implicitly or explicitly imply the creation of our universe from another and that universes are constantly coming into and out of existence from one another. M-Theory predicts this. Quantum mechanics, with the ultimate wave function, predicts that you can create a universe from practically nothing. We could create a universe in a laboratory by accident. It implicitly implies that our universe came from something else. The explanation of black holes by most physicists seem to imply that they dump their matter into another universe. The multiple worlds interpretation of Schrödinger equation says there are an infinite number of parallel universes which are loosely connected to each other.

I could go on, but the implication is there from just about every angle that one can look at it. The exact mechanics of such an event are very much debatable, but most physicists acknowledge that its is most probable that our universe came in some way, shape, or form from another universe of some kind.
 
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#146
PKT_VOL said:
I could go on, but the implication is there from just about every angle that one can look at it. The exact mechanics of such an event are very much debatable, but most physicists acknowledge that its is most probable that our universe came in some way, shape, or form from another universe of some kind.
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I don't think so. Quantum theory describes the ability to create the matter we now know from nothing, even space itself from nothing. It doesn't necessarily describe anything about coming from other universes.

Many worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics in no way implies that our universe was "created" from another universe, unless of course you're implying that it was created by branching off of the infinitely many past universes. That would be a completely different concept altogether, though, because nothing is created in that scenario.

Your last sentence, depending on how you intend us to interpret it, is just not true. A lot of scientists may believe that, but I'd argue definitely not 'most' of them.
 
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#147
PKT_VOL said:
However, if our universe came from another universe, it opens the cosmological argument for the existence of God. If you don't know the cosmological argument, it was originated by Aristotle and basically asks 'who is the first unmoved mover?' Also phrased as the 'uncaused cause'.
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How would that open the possibility of God? If anything, in my mind, it would explain an eternally existing universe, thus eliminating the need for God.

Either way, the argument for First Cause will never be settled. Not ever.
 
#149
#149
I actually think you believe some bit of that theory you made up the other day about 7 strings equaling 7 days, with the other 4 just kinda hanging out. That's what's scary.
 
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#150
Thrasher865 said:
I actually think you believe some bit of that theory you made up the other day about 7 strings equaling 7 days, with the other 4 just kinda hanging out. That's what's scary.
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I guess if I believed in bang "insta-universe" you'd be less scared huh.

and what you posted above clearly shows you didnt get my post.

It was an analogy.
 
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