Hillary Clinton Uses Personal Email for State Business

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bamawriter said:
You have the exact same knee jerk reaction when attacking and defending, you just come at it from the other end of the spectrum. You are absolutely no different than those you like to point fingers at.

The Hillary email situation is a shining example of that.
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That's not true at all. I've explained that I think she did the wrong thing and that the server should be examined.

People yapping about criminal charges are just making fools of themselves.
 
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lawgator1 said:
That's not true at all. I've explained that I think she did the wrong thing and that the server should be examined.

People yapping about criminal charges are just making fools of themselves.
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They are not making fools of themselves anymore than that of her defenders.
 
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I've seen defenses of Hillary that paint her as almost naive about how the internet works. That's absolutely ludicrous. She was Secretary of State when Bradley Manning leaked hundreds of State Department memos to WikiLeaks. She was furious and demanded answers. She must have received dozens of briefings on internet security during her department's investigations.

There probably isn't another cabinet level official that has been burned as bad as Clinton over internet security. She knew exactly what she was doing when she set up her own network.
 
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lawgator1 said:
That's not true at all. I've explained that I think she did the wrong thing and that the server should be examined.

People yapping about criminal charges are just making fools of themselves.
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She is certainly open to criminal charges. The issue is that there isn't a legal authority that will pursue them.

Besides, criminality is not the larger point here.
 
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volinbham said:
She is certainly open to criminal charges. The issue is that there isn't a legal authority that will pursue them.

Besides, criminality is not the larger point here.
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Even throwing around that phraseology so cavalierly betrays your partisanship in this respect.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The GOP, still smarting 40 years later over Nixon, have already been likening this to Watergate. Idiots.
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Again, how can you support her for the most sensitive and powerful of all positions in the world when she clearly demonstrated her own personal beliefs and motivations are placed above those of the government that she would be running? This is what I do not get. Do you truly believe that she has completely above board and most importantly her personal/private server has been secure and immune to any kind of hack? How can you possibly believe this?
 
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hog88 said:
Easy way for her to put this to bed and rub in the Rs face. Turn over the server and all associated equipment.
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That is not the progressive way. Transcripts etc etc etc etc etc etc etc.... They will tell us what we have the right to know, and the liberals will lap it up like so much expensive Champagne because their leadership said so. No thought on their part required or solicited.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I do not disagree that it was a mistake to use the private email server just because it created the opportunity for people to question it.

I actually can see how it would happen, given their respective positions in the world, and so don't fault them at that basic level. But yes, once she was SoS, she should have switched. I doubt it even occurred to her and her team that it was an issue, at the time, and so that's on them.

Seriously? Are you really this blind?

Your claim that she forfeited her right to anything private on the server as a result, however, is patently ridiculous.
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I disagree. She held a sensitive office that directly affects national security. We have the right to know if she compromised that security. She is not a private citizen in this regard, she is a public official, and the public has a right to know what she was up to. IF it was all benign and did not affect that security, then she was just plain stupid and naive to do that because it opens her up to this investigation. Hillary Clinton is as naive as I am female though. You are naive for giving her a pass.
 
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hog88 said:
Sure she could fight a court order but in no way would she win in court or in public opinion. Anyone working in the private sector with access to email or company computer most likely signed a tech agreement or something similar. I know in ours it explicitly prohibits doing company business on private accounts and any use of company equipment can be monitored.

I'd like to see her explain to the American people why she is above the same rules 90% of us play by.
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Unfortunately the country is full of public opinion that mirrors our resident reptile. This evil/arrogant woman will get a pass.
 
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37L1 said:
Wiping her server clean after October 28, 2014.

How is that not obstruction of justice by destroying subpoenaed documents/evidence that belong to the US Government?
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In the Obola administration?
 
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utvolpj said:
As LG pointed out earlier, this is clearly no different than some GOP member using Gmail or yahoo. It's a technically sound argument
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Don't forget she was the Sec of State..... That's a little bit different than your run of the mill congressman or senator
 
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Hillary Clinton's Private Server A Foreign Spy Magnet - Investors.com

Hillary Clinton's private email server was a spy magnet for the Russian, Chinese, Iranian and other intelligence services, say current and former intelligence officials.

Intelligence professionals fear that the use of the privately installed server, free of certified government defenses against foreign interception, has been a boon to foreign cyberspies.

"By using her own private server with email — which we now know was wholly unencrypted for the first three months of Hillary Clinton's tenure as secretary of state — she left this easily interceptable by any decent 21st century SIGINT service," said John Schindler, a former National Security Agency counterintelligence officer. SIGINT is shorthand for signals intelligence, or electronic spying.

"The name Clinton right on the email handle meant this was not a difficult find," Schindler said. "We should assume Russians, Chinese and others were seeing this."

'Epic' Counterintelligence Disaster

"In all, this is a counterintelligence disaster of truly epic proportions, not to mention that, since Clinton admitted she did not use higher-classification email systems at all" — systems like SIPR and JWICS, Schindler said — "we have to assume some bleed-over into her unsecured private email too, which makes this even worse."

SIPR is the Secret Internet Protocol Router network that the Department of Defense runs to ensure secret communications for the U.S. military, other agencies and certain allies. JWICS is the Joint Worldwide Intelligence Communications System for top-secret government communication. Both provide secure communications for the State Department and secretary of state. Clinton's private server was not protected by the Department of Homeland Security's Einstein intrusion detection system, which relies on NSA systems, for official State Department emails.
"She may have deleted 30,000 e-mails before turning her files over to the State Department, but that doesn't mean that the Russians and the Chinese don't have them," said Michelle Van Cleave, former U.S. National Counterintelligence Executive.

The lure of reading a secretary of state's emails would exert a pull on any foreign spy, intelligence officials say.
Where, on a scale of one to 10, would any sitting secretary of state rank as a target of foreign spies? "10, of course," said Van Cleave. "That being the case, all of her e-mails would have been potentially of interest to any number of foreign parties."

"A target like this would be at least a 10, maybe 10-plus if the enemy knew the email address and server," said Robert W. Stephan, a former counterintelligence analyst at the Defense Intelligence Agency who also served 19 years in the CIA. "If a foreign intelligence service determines that it is indeed the secretary of state's private communications/e-mail/server and even given the security measures that were set up, it would still be a top target for some sophisticated services," Stephan said. "Obviously Chinese, Russian, and Cuban, and possibly Iranians and North Koreans."


How would adversary spy services exploit this intelligence? "The positions, the interests, the communications between the secretary of state and her staff are of great interest to any foreign intelligence service, whether hostile or friendly," said Paul Joyal, former director of security of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence

"The American secretary of state using an open, unprotected server? That's an invitation to a party," said a veteran intelligence officer who asked for anonymity because he still holds active clearances. "All of her private musings. There's no secretary of state who doesn't communicate with classified information. How the hell could she do her job without it?"

"From a counterintelligence perspective, (for) anyone with any responsibility for intelligence, counterintelligence and security, this thing is a monumental disaster," the longtime senior intelligence officer said. "It's a disaster for U.S. policy. It's a huge boon for the former KGB and the Iranians."
Some experts are concerned that foreign spies could have penetrated the server as a gateway to breaking into other government systems, including classified communications.

"The real question is, what if any intelligence collection was being done on a private server somewhere?" Joyal said. "The only way to know is for the proper federal authorities to impound the server and do a forensic analysis."

"It would be possible for a hostile service to use the server as a platform to deliver other malware to other targets of their choosing, based on their knowledge of whom the former secretary and president were communicating with," Joyal said.

'Vast Deception Potential'

Foreign spies could use their access to Clinton's server to warp or distort information that government officials rely on. "If they're getting into her server, they're not just extracting stuff," said a senior former Defense Department official who spoke on condition of anonymity. "They're going to do things that could be planted from other sources."
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The normal font is stuff we already thought about, although still unsettling to see it in print by intelligence/cyber experts. The bold is more interesting.

I am increasingly having a hard time believing anyone could be this naive (either Hillary or those in intelligence). There has to be more to this story. Counterintelligence? I am not sure.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
Hillary Clinton's Private Server A Foreign Spy Magnet - Investors.com



The normal font is stuff we already thought about, although still unsettling to see it in print by intelligence/cyber experts. The bold is more interesting.

I am increasingly having a hard time believing anyone could be this naive (either Hillary or those in intelligence). There has to be more to this story. Counterintelligence? I am not sure.
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Hillary valued her own political fortunes more than national security.

I still find it unbelievable that any State Department employee would be allowed to conduct business through a private email account.
 
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DC_Vol said:
Hillary valued her own political fortunes more than national security.

I still find it unbelievable that any State Department employee would be allowed to conduct business through a private email account.
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Same here. Very hard to believe this was allowed to happen as numerous people had to be aware.
 
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DC_Vol said:
Hillary valued her own political fortunes more than national security.

I still find it unbelievable that any State Department employee would be allowed to conduct business through a private email account.
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That what I believed prima facie.

I'm not sure I believe that now.
 
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