Hillary Clinton Uses Personal Email for State Business

[utvolpj]

I do not agree.

A few days ago you didn't even understand the difference between using Gmail and Hillary's personal email server. It's not like anyone is really taking your opinion seriously on this. It's just entertaining to watch you talk about these things

 

[lawgator1]

A few days ago you didn't even understand the difference between using Gmail and Hillary's personal email server. It's not like anyone is really taking your opinion seriously on this. It's just entertaining to watch you talk about these things

Ok.

Well, I am the one who is agreeing with the criticism that she should have anticipated the political problem created by this. I'm the one saying in principle that an examination of the server would be appropriate, if it were conducted in the right manner.

I'm just saying that the feeding frenzy from the right, trying to make this a bigger problem than it really is, it pretty weak.

So from my perspective, I'm the one here being sensible.

 

[hog88]

Absolutely.

Nixon was aware of and authorized criminal activity for domestic political spying, then assisted in covering that up.

The whining about Clinton is that she did not do enough, generally, to prevent Benghazi when warning signs were present.

The former was blatantly criminal. The latter, even if it were true, would not come even close to that.



Ok, you can make your argument that it was a mistake and that's a reason not to vote for her.

The claim that anyone else would have to forfeit their computer is just laughable.

Just how hard is it for any level of government with subpena power to have a personal computer or email account seized?

 

[PKT_VOL]

Ok.

Well, I am the one who is agreeing with the criticism that she should have anticipated the political problem created by this. I'm the one saying in principle that an examination of the server would be appropriate, if it were conducted in the right manner.

I'm just saying that the feeding frenzy from the right, trying to make this a bigger problem than it really is, it pretty weak.

So from my perspective, I'm the one here being sensible.

Political problem? Appropriate if conducted in the right manner? You serious?

This isn't a political issue (right vs left). It is a professional issue; it is an issue of irresponsibility. She acted in unprofessional, irresponsible, and in a incompetent manner while serving as a Cabinet-level executive.

If she used her server for Secretary of State communications, she forfeits any right to an "appropriate examination". As soon as this practice was discovered, the military should have immediately seized the server. If personal emails are also on the server, tough luck.

 

[lawgator1]

Just how hard is it for any level of government with subpena power to have a personal computer or email account seized?

You have to remember where that power is coming from and what it takes to exercise it. These are not litigants in court. There's no judge to simply file competing motions with.

I'm really not sure of all the procedural steps. But it has been my impression over the years that it is a long, drawn out process, to fight a subpoena, and it is subject to an unspoken rule that you need to be careful what you ask for because, when the other party is in power, the tables are turned.

I think for right now the GOP is content to saber rattle about it. It keeps it in the news and they can just say she is refusing, and paint her as obstructionist, even if not technically correct.

 

[hog88]

You have to remember where that power is coming from and what it takes to exercise it. These are not litigants in court. There's no judge to simply file competing motions with.

I'm really not sure of all the procedural steps. But it has been my impression over the years that it is a long, drawn out process, to fight a subpoena, and it is subject to an unspoken rule that you need to be careful what you ask for because, when the other party is in power, the tables are turned.

I think for right now the GOP is content to saber rattle about it. It keeps it in the news and they can just say she is refusing, and paint her as obstructionist, even if not technically correct.

Sure she could fight a court order but in no way would she win in court or in public opinion. Anyone working in the private sector with access to email or company computer most likely signed a tech agreement or something similar. I know in ours it explicitly prohibits doing company business on private accounts and any use of company equipment can be monitored.

I'd like to see her explain to the American people why she is above the same rules 90% of us play by.

 

[CSpindizzy]

Sure she could fight a court order but in no way would she win in court or in public opinion. Anyone working in the private sector with access to email or company computer most likely signed a tech agreement or something similar. I know in ours it explicitly prohibits doing company business on private accounts and any use of company equipment can be monitored.

I'd like to see her explain to the American people why she is above the same rules 90% of us play by.

I know a lot of companies that do not have employees sign anything on this matter so I'd question the 90%. And if she does not have the same set of rules will the American people hold her to those same set of rules? I doubt she is held accountable to this unless someone digs up an email from a .gov account that implicates her. I am curious as to very little in the way of pursuing changes across the board on how this is handled in the future. Like I said, no one seems to care about addressing this going forward. Hillary seems to be the political target du jour until the next time someone does the same thing. Perhaps some changes in policy and setting some firm top down rules on the matter that were actually enforced would change this. These investigations have a habit of going after the culprit, finding a problem, and doing nothing about it for future reference. Perhaps this is why the American people tend to yawn at these investigations. No credibility.

 

[37L1]

Wiping a server clean.

That's not the action of someone trying to hide something is it?

And doing it after October 28, 2014 isn't suspicious either.

 

[Grand Vol]

Absolutely.

Nixon was aware of and authorized criminal activity for domestic political spying, then assisted in covering that up.

The whining about Clinton is that she did not do enough, generally, to prevent Benghazi when warning signs were present.

The former was blatantly criminal. The latter, even if it were true, would not come even close to that.

No, you misunderstand why I'm calling you ignorant.

I was saying it because if you actually believe this is in any way, shape or form because the GOP is "stinging" from Watergate, you really are beyond hope.

 

[FLVOL69]

Wiping a server clean.

That's not the action of someone trying to hide something is it?

And doing it after October 28, 2014 isn't suspicious either.

$$$

 

[37L1]

Wiping her server clean after October 28, 2014.

How is that not obstruction of justice by destroying subpoenaed documents/evidence that belong to the US Government?

 

[DC_Vol]

Wiping her server clean after October 28, 2014.

How is that not obstruction of justice by destroying subpoenaed documents/evidence that belong to the US Government?

Of course it is obstruction of justice. I doubt anything comes of it though. The abuse of power in Washington and the peoples tolerance for it is just too high. Just the fact we even have to have this discussion is baffling to me.

I couldn't even imagine going to the board of directors of my company and explaining to them that I has set up my own domain on my own server to conduct company business. And, further, I could not provide them access to it but not to worry....I had gone through it myself and assure them they I had given them all my business related emails.

The whole idea is absurd and laughable. I'd be fired immediately and likely sued.

 

[Sandvol]

I predict if Hillary wins the next Presidency it will be the most corrupt administration in the history of our country by far. It will make the Obama administration look like a bunch of amateurs.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

Hillary is not presidential material. She can't be trusted to even do emails right.

 

[1972 Grad]

I predict if Hillary wins the next Presidency it will be the most corrupt administration in the history of our country by far. It will make the Obama administration look like a bunch of amateurs.

They are a bunch of amateurs.

 

[Biopsyman]

Wiping a server clean.

That's not the action of someone trying to hide something is it?

And doing it after October 28, 2014 isn't suspicious either.

Nixon erased 15 or so minutes of recorded tape.. How ironic that she helped bring down Nixon as a young a lawyer...payback is a *****

 

[volinbham]

Political problem? Appropriate if conducted in the right manner? You serious?

This isn't a political issue (right vs left). It is a professional issue; it is an issue of irresponsibility. She acted in unprofessional, irresponsible, and in a incompetent manner while serving as a Cabinet-level executive.

If she used her server for Secretary of State communications, she forfeits any right to an "appropriate examination". As soon as this practice was discovered, the military should have immediately seized the server. If personal emails are also on the server, tough luck.

This. It's not about right/left - it's about right/wrong. It's about expecting our elected leaders are not complete crooks. It's about holding people accountable.

There is no doubt she deliberately with held information from an investigation. What's worse is she set up the system to allow her to do this and then followed through by destroying records so no one can verify her actions.

To top it off, anyone looking at the situation can see clearly that it stinks yet we get the Baghdad Bob treatment from Team Hillary.

We are continually treated like idiots and unfortunately continue to live up to that treatment.

It is scandalous by any definition of the term. Sadly people will still vote for her in droves due to Red vs Blue.

She is the opposite of what our founders envisioned in terms of being accountable to the people yet chances are strong she'll be the next POTUS.

 

[bamawriter]

Remember when Hillary said she set up the private server because she didn't want to use two devices?

Well, she used two devices anyway.

But there's absolutely no reason not to trust her when she says she turned everything over.

 

[lawgator1]

This too, shall pass.

 

[hog88]

This too, shall pass.

Results justify the means, right LG?

 

[AirVol]

Nixon erased 15 or so minutes of recorded tape.. How ironic that she helped bring down Nixon as a young a lawyer...payback is a *****

She was fired for not following orders, so don't give her too much credit for bringing Nixon down.

 

[VolsNSkinsFan]

I like the email to her about a drone strike in Pakistan and she responds about a decorating issue in her office. So not qualified for the job

 

[1972 Grad]

I like the email to her about a drone strike in Pakistan and she responds about a decorating issue in her office. So not qualified for the job

Smartest woman in the country.

 

[lawgator1]

Results justify the means, right LG?

As we agree on neither what the means nor the ends were, I see no value in discussing it with you. You have made up your mind, categorically, that anything she does or says, is bad.

Basically, you treat her as you do Obama. Knee jerk, no rational thought, no application of common experience to the situation. Just knee jerk.

 

[bamawriter]

As we agree on neither what the means nor the ends were, I see no value in discussing it with you. You have made up your mind, categorically, that anything she does or says, is bad.

Basically, you treat her as you do Obama. Knee jerk, no rational thought, no application of common experience to the situation. Just knee jerk.

You have the exact same knee jerk reaction when attacking and defending, you just come at it from the other end of the spectrum. You are absolutely no different than those you like to point fingers at.

The Hillary email situation is a shining example of that.