Hochevar to start for Royals

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VOLNBAMA said:
You know nothing about baseball because Peavy was drafted in the 15th round so his expectations weren't high, but he dominated the minors unlike Hochevar.
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Wow...spending your first four years "dominating" sub AA ball in no way impresses me as much as spending one your first year in AA, your second in AAA, and your third in the Majors. Great argument, though. I cannot wait to hear what you bring to the table next.
 
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volfanbill said:
Wood was drafted in '95, I don't recall him playing until the start of the '98 season.
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I was just commenting on being called a bust or success after their first major league outing.

Nevermind though. He had a pretty crappy debut.
 
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therealUT said:
I was just commenting on being called a bust or success after their first major league outing.

Nevermind though. He had a pretty crappy debut.
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didn't he have his 20 K performance within his first 10 starts or so?

also, I meant overall professional baseball, not just one MLB performance. There's no way we can consider any 2005 draft selection and on still playing pro ball an underachiever or a bust yet.
 
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volfanbill said:
didn't he have his 20 K performance within his first 10 starts or so?

also, I meant overall professional baseball, not just one MLB performance. There's no way we can consider any 2005 draft selection on an underachiever or a bust yet.
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I seem to recall, but cannot say for certain, that he threw twenty strikeouts in his first home start. At that moment, he was basically crowned the next coming of Clemens, Ryan, and Paige, all in one.
 
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and in case you are calling Wood a bust, I've never believed in injury related problems attributing to calling someone a bust. He was obviously very good pre Tommy John.
 
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volfanbill said:
and in case you are calling Wood a bust, I've never believed in injury related problems attributing to calling someone a bust. He was obviously very good pre Tommy John.
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True. If he continued to pitch as he did his rookie season, without injury, then he probably is on his way to the Hall of Fame.
 
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I remember the Royals had a prospect named Quinn who tore the minor leagues up. Helped him a lot.
 
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#37
Hochevar did not get rocked yesterday, period. He gave up some hits, but most were popups or bleeders. Couple of balls were hit hard, but the stat line definitely makes it looks worse than it was.

He was throwing a 92-93 mph sinker that nobody else throws. Threw one of them at 94. Changeup was moving about a foot. Location was so-so, but anyone's first start tends to work out that way.

Fortune often dictates who wins at the big time level, but he is as talented as just about anyone up there throwing it.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Hochevar did not get rocked yesterday, period. He gave up some hits, but most were popups or bleeders. Couple of balls were hit hard, but the stat line definitely makes it looks worse than it was.

He was throwing a 92-93 mph sinker that nobody else throws. Threw one of them at 94. Changeup was moving about a foot. Location was so-so, but anyone's first start tends to work out that way.

Fortune often dictates who wins at the big time level, but he is as talented as just about anyone up there throwing it.
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Hannahanahanahanahanahan's 2-RBI 2 out double was more than a pop up.

I wouldn't call Marky's single a bleeder either.

He may not have given up the long ball, but you can't give up that many runs with two outs. Obviously, I've stuck up for Hochevar most of this thread, but once the first wheel got loose, all four fell off in a hurry.
 
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volfanbill said:
Hannahanahanahanahanahan's 2-RBI 2 out double was more than a pop up.

I wouldn't call Marky's single a bleeder either.

He may not have given up the long ball, but you can't give up that many runs with two outs. Obviously, I've stuck up for Hochevar most of this thread, but once the first wheel got loose, all four fell off in a hurry.
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I said that a couple were hit hard, and they were.

The vast majority of his problems yesterday was lack of command. You can't pitch in the bigs from behind. He tried and failed.

Nonetheless, he threw some incredible pitches. He shows consistent command and we'll hear a lot from him in the future.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
I said that a couple were hit hard, and they were.

The vast majority of his problems yesterday was lack of command. You can't pitch in the bigs from behind. He tried and failed.

Nonetheless, he threw some incredible pitches. He shows consistent command and we'll hear a lot from him in the future.
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i'll agree with that, but you know that i gotta take up for my boys.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
I understand that. He throws Lowe's sinker harder than Lowe does. That's going to be ugly.
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i've seen good stuff from him, but just like it's too early to even consider calling him an underachiever or a bust, it's still a little too early for me to say he's going to be anything special. I just haven't watched enough of him.

For some reason the only Royals info we get here in UET and SW Va are Jimmy Gobble highlights (and lowlights :no:).
 
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volfanbill said:
i've seen good stuff from him, but just like it's too early to even consider calling him an underachiever or a bust, it's still a little too early for me to say he's going to be anything special. I just haven't watched enough of him.

For some reason the only Royals info we get here in UET and SW Va are Jimmy Gobble highlights (and lowlights :no:).
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the underachiever talk was just stupid and it's far to early to ascribe greatness.

He definitely has the tools for greatness. He'll have to work very hard to realize it, just like the vast majority of those who have achieved it.

I doubt volnbama has ever heard of Koufax, but he was awful for the first half of his 12 year career. The second half, he was just the best pitcher ever over a similar span.
 
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I was talking with my buddy I attended the Orange and White game with about possibilities with my about to be acquired Master's Degree in sports management.

As I've said before I want to start out in Media Relations/Sports Information, but ultimately, who knows, I could move up the ladder.

Jokingly he suggested I work my way up to becoming the Royals GM and finding a way to make them competitive again. We figured as much as the Royals fans want to be successful again, I could have bridges and roads named after me all over western Missouri and Kansas.

All that being said, if Hochevar does make it, it will be interesting to see how the Royals handle him. Money is definitely a LARGE part of any equation involving what the Royals do, so do you attempt to make him the cornerstone of your team and hopefully find a way to build around him, or do you trade him in two-three years for maximum return value and build a team off that? I have to believe the latter will prove more valuable.
 
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volfanbill said:
I was talking with my buddy I attended the Orange and White game with about possibilities with my about to be acquired Master's Degree in sports management.

As I've said before I want to start out in Media Relations/Sports Information, but ultimately, who knows, I could move up the ladder.

Jokingly he suggested I work my way up to becoming the Royals GM and finding a way to make them competitive again. We figured as much as the Royals fans want to be successful again, I could have bridges and roads named after me all over western Missouri and Kansas.

All that being said, if Hochevar does make it, it will be interesting to see how the Royals handle him. Money is definitely a LARGE part of any equation involving what the Royals do, so do you attempt to make him the cornerstone of your team and hopefully find a way to build around him, or do you trade him in two-three years for maximum return value and build a team off that? I have to believe the latter will prove more valuable.
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it's awfully hard to build around a single pitcher. If he could bring serious value in the form of several position players, probably gotta go that route. Otherwise, you have to add other pitching talent and follow the Braves route to winning.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
it's awfully hard to build around a single pitcher. If he could bring serious value in the form of several position players, probably gotta go that route. Otherwise, you have to add other pitching talent and follow the Braves route to winning.
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If Hochevar is Smoltz, who is waiting in the wings for the Royals to be Steve Avery, Tom Glavine and Pete Smith?
 
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volfanbill said:
If Hochevar is Smoltz, who is waiting in the wings for the Royals to be Steve Avery, Tom Glavine and Pete Smith?
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I don't think they have him. They could make a deal for one of the studs in a couple of seasons, a la Maddux, and have a strong 1-2 punch, but that will take a financial commitment that they're likely unwilling to make.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
I don't think they have him. They could make a deal for one of the studs in a couple of seasons, a la Maddux, and have a strong 1-2 punch, but that will take a financial commitment that they're likely unwilling to make.
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which is why if I were GM, Hochevar would be traded for maximum value, a la Nick Swisher and Dan Haren. It's a very risky gamble, but 5-6 potential great prospects for two stars is a better investment.
 
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I have a feeling Hochevar is gone as soon as the time comes. We've traded Dye, Beltran, etc. when we couldn't afford them. the only guy we've ever kept is Sweeney. We saw how that turned out.
 
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therealUT said:
Anyone who is already declaring him a bust or overrated, knows absolutely nothing about baseball. Tell me, how did Jake Peavy do his first six games in the Bigs? Hmm...he surrended 23 runs over 31 innings. I guess he was a bust and was overrated...

Zambrano gave up seven runs in his first four innings in the Bigs.
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