Hochevar to start for Royals

#78
#78
VOLNBAMA said:
He has definetly underachieved to this point in his career.
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You're totally missing the point. Anyone at any position in baseball that gets a call to the big leagues in his first full season, almost gets a starting job with the big league club at the start of his second full season and ultimately gets called up for what appears to be a good long while within the first month of play is doing anything but underachieving.

VOLNBAMA said:
Yes, because you don't spend your #1 draft pick on a #2 or 3 guy, you want to get your Ace.
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Drafting baseball players is the riskiest business in all of sports. If you can get any pitcher, whether he's your #1 pick or last round pick to be a #2 or 3 guy, you are doing something right and he's definitely not a bust.

VOLNBAMA said:
What has he done to prove me wrong?
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he got called up to the bigs last year and now he's back for what looks like a long stay. More importantly, what you've failed to still answer is how has he proven you right? He hasn't had time to really prove anything other than he definitely has all the potential to make it.

VOLNBAMA said:
I said Hochevar would be a number 2 or 3 guy in the rotation, nothing more nothing less. He does have good stuff be his accuracy is inconsistent and he gives up a ton of HRs, therefore i could see him being good but not great.
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See Curt Schilling.
 
#79
#79
saw were R.A. Dickey is scheduled to make his second start with the Mariner's this year. didn't even know he was still playing.

if i was bamanvol, i'd probably not try and talk baseball anymore. and i don't give a damn about Tennessee Baseball or the Royals.
 
#80
#80
doozer said:
saw were R.A. Dickey is scheduled to make his second start with the Mariner's this year. didn't even know he was still playing.

if i was bamanvol, i'd probably not try and talk baseball anymore. and i don't give a damn about Tennessee Baseball or the Royals.
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Dickey throws a knuckleball around 84 mph which is insane.
 
#81
#81
volfanbill said:
You're totally missing the point. Anyone at any position in baseball that gets a call to the big leagues in his first full season, almost gets a starting job with the big league club at the start of his second full season and ultimately gets called up for what appears to be a good long while within the first month of play is doing anything but underachieving.



Drafting baseball players is the riskiest business in all of sports. If you can get any pitcher, whether he's your #1 pick or last round pick to be a #2 or 3 guy, you are doing something right and he's definitely not a bust.



he got called up to the bigs last year and now he's back for what looks like a long stay. More importantly, what you've failed to still answer is how has he proven you right? He hasn't had time to really prove anything other than he definitely has all the potential to make it.



See Curt Schilling.
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All you guys overreacted to my opinion. Opinion is the key word and that shows a lack of class from some people board. You guys want to crucify people for having a opinion which is stupid because the last time i checked this is a message board
 
#83
#83
doozer said:
saw were R.A. Dickey is scheduled to make his second start with the Mariner's this year. didn't even know he was still playing.

if i was bamanvol, i'd probably not try and talk baseball anymore. and i don't give a damn about Tennessee Baseball or the Royals.
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:eek:lol: who's that?
 
#85
#85
VOLNBAMA said:
All you guys overreacted to my opinion. Opinion is the key word and that shows a lack of class from some people board. You guys want to crucify people for having a opinion which is stupid because the last time i checked this is a message board
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i didn't overreact to your opinion. You said he has underachieved. You stated that as if it were fact. You have yet to show how it's possible for a 2006 draftee already in the bigs to be an underachiever. You are now using this "opinion" theory as a crutch to hold out to admitting it's impossible for him to either be underachieving or a bust.
 
#88
#88
volfanbill said:
i didn't overreact to your opinion. You said he has underachieved. You stated that as if it were fact. You have yet to show how it's possible for a 2006 draftee already in the bigs to be an underachiever. You are now using this "opinion" theory as a crutch to hold out to admitting it's impossible for him to either be underachieving or a bust.
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VOLNBAMA said:
I think Hochevar will be a bust.
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VOLNBAMA said:
Yeah really dominated AA last year with a 3-6 record and 4.69 ERA. In AAA 1-3 record and 5.12 ERA, i'm sure this is what the Royals had in mind when they drafted him.
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This is what i said and people are calling me ignorant.
 
#89
#89
because stats don't come anywhere close to telling the story in the minors. Look at Roger Clemens' stats while he rehabbed in the minors. Look at Rick Ankiel's stats when he first got called to the minors in Rookie League and A ball after he couldn't the ocean in the NL playoffs.

And to that, it's not even been two years since he was drafted. How is it possible to make such an early assumption as to a bust or being an underachiever?
 
#90
#90
BigPapaVol said:
so, apparently combined with the nothing you know of baseball, you also missed the performance.

I'm trying to think of a good comparison for you, but am struggling at the moment. Maybe NewCoach.
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BigPapaVol said:
given what you've proven that you don't know, you'd be just as well served to talk about knitting for the remainder of the thread.
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KCVolLaw said:
Damn, I think we found someone worse than NEW COACH
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BigPapaVol said:
that's more like the speed I've been expecting from you: conversing with pictures. Very well said I might add.
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BigPapaVol said:
could you put this one into picture form for me, I'm having a hard time understanding what you're trying to say.
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overreacted might be an understatement.
 
#91
#91
volfanbill said:
because stats don't come anywhere close to telling the story in the minors. Look at Roger Clemens' stats while he rehabbed in the minors. Look at Rick Ankiel's stats when he first got called to the minors in Rookie League and A ball after he couldn't the ocean in the NL playoffs.

And to that, it's not even been two years since he was drafted. How is it possible to make such an early assumption as to a bust or being an underachiever?
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Because that's what i think, i'm allowed to have a opinion
 
#92
#92
VOLNBAMA said:
overreacted might be an understatement.
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let's recall that you are the one that only has one somewhat worthy response to this thread in that his stats obviously don't show what the scouts see.

Let's also recall you are the one that flipped BPV off before he started his posts.

No one's overreacting, we're just calling you out on this absurdness.
 
#93
#93
VOLNBAMA said:
Because that's what i think, i'm allowed to have a opinion
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it's fine to have that opinion, but it's another to state as fact he's an underachiever even though he's not been a pro for two years and he's already in the big leagues.
 
#94
#94
and finally, the only reason people are getting up in arms is that all of your statements throw conventional baseball wisdom (or even Billy Beane/Bill James wisdom) out the window.
 
#97
#97
I'm not the only person in the world that believes Hochevar is overrated, in fact i would say over 75% of people that know something about minor league baseball would think the same.
 
#98
#98
VOLNBAMA said:
I'm not the only person in the world that believes Hochevar is overrated, in fact i would say over 75% of people that know something about minor league baseball would think the same.
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show me those people.
 
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