Holly is not the problem.

#76
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1standgoal said:
Turnovers, missed shots, selfishness, and bad attitudes seem to be the underlying problems. This team is not very good, no matter who is the head coach.
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It all goes back to the head coach, the character of your team is the character of your coach!!!!
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1standgoal said:
Turnovers, missed shots, selfishness, and bad attitudes seem to be the underlying problems. This team is not very good, no matter who is the head coach.
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Wow, obviously you haven't played sports before. You may have a few bad apples that aren't really a reflection of the coach, but if the majority of the team is that way it is a direct reflection. I'm not a big follower of lady vols basketball but I hate where the program is at right now. It's a shame how much Tennessee and Pat did for the womens game, just to see this happen.
 
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All one has to do is compare the Vols to ND to see the difference in coaching. Yes, ND had a great guard last year, and its talent level has gotten better the last several years--but almost every year we put more physical talent on the court than ND, and I think that was particularly true this year: we have more top prospects, more athletes. But it doesn't matter: McGraw schools our staff every year. They are smart and fundamental, pass and shoot well, and we are the opposite. EVERY YEAR. The players change but the fundamental differences between the two teams do not. How is it that our passing and shooting are bad every year? Why are turnovers are problem EVERY year. Why does ND pass and get easy shots every year? Because they've got much better coaching. The discrepancy in coaching is embarrassing, really. You could give Warlick and co. the best five players in the country and McGraw would beat her, because basketball is a classic team game, where fundamentals matter, and we are not fundamental.
 
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It's hard to watch such a storied program go down the drain, but it is what it is and UT must make a decision whether to fix the problem or just let the program continue to implode.
 
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1standgoal said:
Turnovers, missed shots, selfishness, and bad attitudes seem to be the underlying problems. This team is not very good, no matter who is the head coach.
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Incorrect...She is the biggest problem...With the talent on this team they should be destroying other teams...Holly has absolutely no control over these girls and that is a coaching problem...She treats them like friends more than her players and they are doing what they want to do and not what she wants done...You would think after all the years she spent with coach Summit she would've learned that by now....The team doesn't respect her.
 
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1standgoal said:
Turnovers, missed shots, selfishness, and bad attitudes seem to be the underlying problems. This team is not very good, no matter who is the head coach.
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The head coach is responsible for assembling these players so no pass there but nice try. Choosing Holly to replace Summit, not that anyone could, turned out to be a bad decision unless competing for the SEC title is the main team goal. We are no longer a top 10 program people need to get used to it. Firing the coach won't help much at this point, once its gone its gone.
 
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1standgoal said:
Turnovers, missed shots, selfishness, and bad attitudes seem to be the underlying problems. This team is not very good, no matter who is the head coach.
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So it's either poor recruiting evaluation or poor player development Meaning you have to draw a line to the head coach...so it really does matter who is the HC.
 
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armchair said:
All one has to do is compare the Vols to ND to see the difference in coaching. Yes, ND had a great guard last year, and its talent level has gotten better the last several years--but almost every year we put more physical talent on the court than ND, and I think that was particularly true this year: we have more top prospects, more athletes. But it doesn't matter: McGraw schools our staff every year. They are smart and fundamental, pass and shoot well, and we are the opposite. EVERY YEAR. The players change but the fundamental differences between the two teams do not. How is it that our passing and shooting are bad every year? Why are turnovers are problem EVERY year. Why does ND pass and get easy shots every year? Because they've got much better coaching. The discrepancy in coaching is embarrassing, really. You could give Warlick and co. the best five players in the country and McGraw would beat her, because basketball is a classic team game, where fundamentals matter, and we are not fundamental.
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Dead on.
 
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CHW is clearly the biggest problem, but she's not the whole problem. This team has an attitude problem that Tenn has never had before. Players casually throwing the ball away, not making an effort on defense, sulking, pouting, passing only to their BFF's. Whose arrival does this correlate with? Whose arrival does the recruiting problem start with?
 
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Yes she is the problem. Now we don't have a girl on this team that has ice in her veins( Parker, Holdsclaw, Catchings,) Now I get those are some of the greatest to ever play the game but Pat helped them get mentally tough. Our girls are not mentally tough. That's on Holly. There is no grit or determination. Diamond has the ability but
Isn't being coached the right way. Our post are not developed at all, and we are lazy on the defensive end. When Holly stopped coaching in the middle of the game I would have gotten rid of her then. If the head coach quits why can't the players. I lost a lot of respect for here when that happened.
 
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DonDiego said:
Frankly, I think Hart has become a whipping boy all too often, without deserving to be so. It's not his fault that Summitt developed her condition, and what was he to do with Holly being the coach in waiting? He has given her a fair shot.

Not Hart's fault--in fact , he has taken far more abuse in the athletic program than he deserves.
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If Hart had not done what PS requested, then he would have had a march of torches and pitchforks in the streets.

Nobody. And I mean absolutely nobody was allowed to question the validity of this hire. A few tried to raise their hands just to ask ... and got their hands slapped.

Mine was one of them. I understand the emotions of having a "legend". But, for the life of me I could not see Holly Warlick as the best possible candidate nationwide to take over one of the top 2 (at the time) monster programs in the nation.

Leave Hart alone. No way the guy had a true choice in the matter as a new AD. None.
 
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FrozenLVFan said:
CHW is clearly the biggest problem, but she's not the whole problem. This team has an attitude problem that Tenn has never had before. Players casually throwing the ball away, not making an effort on defense, sulking, pouting, passing only to their BFF's. Whose arrival does this correlate with? Whose arrival does the recruiting problem start with?
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Diamond wasn't on the court when ND put the game away in the third quarter. Without Diamond, this isn't a game from tip off.

The inability to hit open shots, pass the ball effectively and not get constantly beaten off the dribble is a bigger issue than Diamond pouting.
 
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livefaith said:
If Hart had not done what PS requested, then he would have had a march of torches and pitchforks in the streets.

Nobody. And I mean absolutely nobody was allowed to question the validity of this hire. A few tried to raise their hands just to ask ... and got their hands slapped.

Mine was one of them. I understand the emotions of having a "legend". But, for the life of me I could not see Holly Warlick as the best possible candidate nationwide to take over one of the top 2 (at the time) monster programs in the nation.

Leave Hart alone. No way the guy had a true choice in the matter as a new AD. None.
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I don't think Holly was suppose to be the long term solution at the time. It was just easier to transition to Holly before looking elsewhere for a coach. The team played just well enough (regular and tournament SEC titles/elite 8s) that there didn't seem like it was a pressing need to move on from Holly yet. Also not having done more (Final Four/Championship Game) was kind of forgiven due to the numerous injuries over the last few years. All along they looked a bit under coached, but they won just enough. This year it is clear the team is trending in the wrong direction and a change is needed if Tennessee actually cares about woman's basketball. The thing is the AD may not care enough to make a change...
 
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livefaith said:
If Hart had not done what PS requested, then he would have had a march of torches and pitchforks in the streets.

Nobody. And I mean absolutely nobody was allowed to question the validity of this hire. A few tried to raise their hands just to ask ... and got their hands slapped.

Mine was one of them. I understand the emotions of having a "legend". But, for the life of me I could not see Holly Warlick as the best possible candidate nationwide to take over one of the top 2 (at the time) monster programs in the nation.

Leave Hart alone. No way the guy had a true choice in the matter as a new AD. None.
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This all day. many had doubts about Holly, but it seemed to be the choice most wanted. Heck I thought they should have hired Nicky Caldwell, and she has failed miserably at LSU. maybe she would have done better here, but who knows..
Still hard to have to give Hart anything but grief, even though this hire was out of his hands.
 
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Please list a single team good team she has beaten in the 3 years she has been a head coach, and I don't mean another over-rated SEC program. I mean a legitimate, national program that competes for a championship:

This season:
Notre Dame- lost by 13
Stanford- lost by 15
Texas- lost by 11

Last season:
Texas- lost by 13
Stanford- won by 19
Notre Dame- lost by 11
SC- lost by 5
SC- lost by 16
Maryland- lost by 10

1st Year:
North Carolina- won by 16
Texas- won by 15
Stanford- lost by 6
Notre Dame- lost by 16
SC- won by 12
Maryland- lost by 11

For a grand total of 4-11, now that is really impressive so let's keep her around for 10 more years. What would UConn do to this team? Baylor?
 
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dyllisvol42 said:
Yes she is the problem. Now we don't have a girl on this team that has ice in her veins( Parker, Holdsclaw, Catchings,) Now I get those are some of the greatest to ever play the game but Pat helped them get mentally tough. Our girls are not mentally tough. That's on Holly. There is no grit or determination. Diamond has the ability but
Isn't being coached the right way. Our post are not developed at all, and we are lazy on the defensive end. When Holly stopped coaching in the middle of the game I would have gotten rid of her then. If the head coach quits why can't the players. I lost a lot of respect for here when that happened.
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Diamond not being coached the right way? Maybe she doesn't want to be coached at all. IIRC she went to UNC because she said the coaches wouldn't try to change the way she played. And if that's the leader of your team, maybe she's rubbing off onto the others.
 
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BengalHuskie said:
Diamond not being coached the right way? Maybe she doesn't want to be coached at all. IIRC she went to UNC because she said the coaches wouldn't try to change the way she played. And if that's the leader of your team, maybe she's rubbing off onto the others.
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Back to Holly then if she knew that Diamond had that kind of attitude she should have left her alone.
 
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anyone who can't see by now that Holly is clearly the problem is either related to her, owes her money or knows absolutely zilch about organized sports.
 
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casetopia said:
anyone who can't see by now that Holly is clearly the problem is either related to her, owes her money or knows absolutely zilch about organized sports.
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It's extremely difficult to follow a legend in any sport. But it makes it even more difficult when you are incompetent.
 
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1standgoal said:
Turnovers, missed shots, selfishness, and bad attitudes seem to be the underlying problems. This team is not very good, no matter who is the head coach.
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All of the things you mentioned can be fixed by a mix of coaching and recruiting. Both of which are her job.
 
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I think it is very safe to say that we want see a final four as long as Holly is coach of the team. She is 0 for Notre Dame, 0 for Maryland, and has won only once versus Stanford. Louisville has beaten her a couple times as well. I remember that Coach Summit used to use Muppet as her puppet. They even got where they would not play us for a while as what they are doing now we did for a couple of decades. Stanford was the same thing they would win like 1 year out of ten as Summit owned them. We want ever see that again because Holly has let our tradition slide in a ditch and even with a new coach probably going to take five years to get out because Holly will have the roster down to three star players in two more seasons.
 
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Volfan2012 said:
I think it is very safe to say that we want see a final four as long as Holly is coach of the team. She is 0 for Notre Dame, 0 for Maryland, and has won only once versus Stanford. Louisville has beaten her a couple times as well. I remember that Coach Summit used to use Muppet as her puppet. They even got where they would not play us for a while as what they are doing now we did for a couple of decades. Stanford was the same thing they would win like 1 year out of ten as Summit owned them. We want ever see that again because Holly has let our tradition slide in a ditch and even with a new coach probably going to take five years to get out because Holly will have the roster down to three star players in two more seasons.
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We wont have any stars if she keeps it up. I think we see a few transfers and girls leave (due to injury or overseas play)
 
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