Homosexuals are not suitable to serve in the military.

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allvol123 said:
You mean a sexual preference is different in some cases than others? You know which ones are normal and which ones are not? Pedosexual work better for you?
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I think in the case of homosexuality and pedophilia it is pretty easy to know which one is normal and which one isn't.
 
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KentheOrange said:
Previous posts had started equating homosexual and pedophile. My point is that a homosexual is not automatically a pedophile. Do you think it would be normal for someone your age to desire to get in an 8 year olds pants, male or female?
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Equatable in the sense they are disorders.

Never said they were one.

And no, I would not. Would not consider other things normal either.
 
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emainvol said:
Then from where you are standing, it should be pretty easy to decide which one is worse.

Should homosexuality be a crime?
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One being worse does not make the second normal, necessarily.

Not unless it is physically forced on someone.
 
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emainvol said:
It doesn't matter, this whole discussion has been about where things fall on the moral compass, more or less
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It does matter. These "morals" I see talk about one behavior worthy of being assualted for while another behavior is absolutely normal. Hmmm...they both revolve around preference. As long as no one is being forced into the behavior, then it would have to be seen as everyone viewing the behavior as normal, a preference as you say. All healthy normal behavior.
 
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An adult can make those kinds of decisions. A child has not matured to the point of being able to do so. That's the (obvious) difference.
 
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When does adulthood begin? Been to other parts of the world? They start well before 18 in some areas. Not that surprising to see even in this country many years ago, girls 13 and 14 married and having children.
 
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But this dilemma extends into heterosexual interactions as well, so it isn't an indictment against homosexuality at all.
 
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I am not indicting anyone. Bringing up the thought that homosexuality is quite possibly a disease or disorder. Amazing how uncomfortable that is for some people.
 
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utvolpj said:
but women can still serve. IIRC blacks couldn't serve in front line units not too long ago either for similar reason.
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I don't see the point. We are talking about right here and now. African Americans were not able to serve for a variety of reasons, not just one particular reason. There are reasons above and beyond moral issues and the personal safety factor, one of these would be the health factor.

Just to be clear, i have no problem with gay people serving in the military, I just happen to think that the policy of don't ask don't tell is the best and those that want to be openly gay need to do so in the private sector.
 
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rjd970 said:
Interesting.

What are the cited reasons blacks couldn't serve on the front lines? Morale?
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Personal safety for those of African American heritage would be another surely. The difference here is that sexual orientation has no place in the military. Heritage is a different animal altogether.
 
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allvol123 said:
I am not indicting anyone. Bringing up the thought that homosexuality is quite possibly a disease or disorder. Amazing how uncomfortable that is for some people.
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Ya, it is an uncomfortable notion. I believe that was Nazi Germany's stance on the issue.
 
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IPorange said:
Ya, it is an uncomfortable notion. I believe that was Nazi Germany's stance on the issue.
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Good call, because I have obviously shown my interest in physically harming these people. Please find that post for me. Don't get it confused with the others in here where people are all for harming mentally ill people.
 
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rjd970 said:
Pedophiles, yes. Some people close to me have been affected by it. It's not curable. They should be locked away for life, or submit to chemical castration. it's just the way it is.

I can tell you right now if anybody ever did anything to my son they would be lucky to only get an a$$ kicking.
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It is very unfortunate that children are violated in this way. Sadly from what I understand castration does little to curb their impulses and these people still find ways to molest young people. I like your proposal of locking them away for life much better. I never have understood why so many judges and lawmakers in the north do not see it as an important issue, they let many of these people go after some counseling and a few years hard time.....it is pathetic.
 
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KB5252 said:
Personal safety for those of African American heritage would be another surely. The difference here is that sexual orientation has no place in the military. Heritage is a different animal altogether.
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both are things that can't be controlled by the individual
 
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allvol123 said:
It does matter. These "morals" I see talk about one behavior worthy of being assualted for while another behavior is absolutely normal. Hmmm...they both revolve around preference. As long as no one is being forced into the behavior, then it would have to be seen as everyone viewing the behavior as normal, a preference as you say. All healthy normal behavior.
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Pedophilia is only a behavior if acted upon, at which point I have no problem with beating the feces out of the pedophile.

Acting on homosexuality, usually, doesn't involve force, nor does it warrant a beating.
 
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utvolpj said:
both are things that can't be controlled by the individual
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With your heritage most certainly. As for homosexuality I believe it depends on the individual. I do believe that some people are "born gay" (however you want to define that) and some people make the choice to be gay. I am not one of those closed minded people, my own dealings with some gay people have led me to this conclusion, a couple of gay people I know have told me this from their first hand knowledge.

What the person can control is how they act and what they tell other people about themselves. For the record as I stated earlier I do not believe sexuality has any place in the military so there is no need to identify yourself as gay or straight. If everyone would do so then there would be no problems.
 
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KB5252 said:
With your heritage most certainly. As for homosexuality I believe it depends on the individual. I do believe that some people are "born gay" (however you want to define that) and some people make the choice to be gay. I am not one of those closed minded people, my own dealings with some gay people have led me to this conclusion, a couple of gay people I know have told me this from their first hand knowledge.
What the person can control is how they act and what they tell other people about themselves. For the record as I stated earlier I do not believe sexuality has any place in the military so there is no need to identify yourself as gay or straight. If everyone would do so then there would be no problems.
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Most people who have had homosexual friends, co-workers, etc. would agree with you.
 
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emainvol said:
Pedophilia is only a behavior if acted upon, at which point I have no problem with beating the feces out of the pedophile.

Acting on homosexuality, usually, doesn't involve force, nor does it warrant a beating.
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So you are down with it if they can get a willing participant? No force involved.
 
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allvol123 said:
So you are down with it if they can get a willing participant? No force involved.
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Pedophilia? Hell no. The act is wrong whether or not the participant is "willing" In either case the pedophile deserves whatever beating he/she receives.

Homosexuality? Yep. Doesn't bother me a bit.

I don't see where there is a comparison. One involves children who are almost always forced, the other involves mostly consenting adults.
 
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emainvol said:
Pedophilia? Hell no. The act occurs whether or not the participant is "willing" In either case the pedophile deserves whatever beating he/she receives.

Homosexuality? Yep. Doesn't bother me a bit.
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How do you know?

Do you view it as a disease or illness? Ped that is?
 
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allvol123 said:
How do you know?

Do you view it as a disease or illness? Ped that is?
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1) Because a pedophile commits an act of pedophilia regardless of the willingness of the child. It's still an act of pedophilia whether it is rape or not.

2) A disease and (if acted upon) a crime.

and there is still no comparison between the two.
 
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