Hooker is not a Heisman finalist and you don't want to know who is 🤬

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Give it to Stroud.The suckeyes have to win something,cause they ain't beating Georgia without Big 10(twelve) refs from OSU.
 
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JoAllan said:
you know we can cherry pick all kinds of stuff.

Like common opponents……how do those look? I bet you won’t post those.

However “entire stats” (entire body of work) isn’t cherry picking anything.

Hooker is better in EVERY category except total passing yards……because he got injured and Bennett played more games. However passing yards per game? Yea again Hooker.

You keep cherry picking but even you know Bennett didn’t have the season that Hooker had (as a QB) simply his team had better.
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13-0 is a pretty powerful stat. Maybe if HH or Bryce had a similar stat one or both might have been invited.
 
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BAMA-DAWG said:
13-0 is a pretty powerful stat. Maybe if HH or Bryce had a similar stat one or both might have been invited.
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Not too sure 13-0 is a prerequisite for the Heisman.

If your a QB and receive a Heisman invite you should AT LEAST be:
Top 20 in passing efficiency
Top 40 passing TD’s
Top 10 passing yards
Top 10 completion %
Top 25 passing yards per game
Top 35 yards per completion
Top 30 in total offense
Top 15 in yards per attempt

In ONE of those

Bennett isn’t in ANY…….none. And he played 13 games.

Hooker, Young, and the other actual Heisman invites are in most of those. Hooker in ALL of them (except total passing yards)
 
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JoAllan said:
Not too sure 13-0 is a prerequisite for the Heisman.

If your a QB and receive a Heisman invite you should AT LEAST be:
Top 20 in passing efficiency
Top 40 passing TD’s
Top 10 passing yards
Top 10 completion %
Top 25 passing yards per game
Top 35 yards per completion
Top 30 in total offense
Top 15 in yards per attempt

In ONE of those

Bennett isn’t in ANY…….none. And he played 13 games.

Hooker, Young, and the other actual Heisman invites are in most of those. Hooker in ALL of them (except total passing yards)
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JoAllan said:
Not too sure 13-0 is a prerequisite for the Heisman.

If your a QB and receive a Heisman invite you should AT LEAST be:
Top 20 in passing efficiency
Top 40 passing TD’s
Top 10 passing yards
Top 10 completion %
Top 25 passing yards per game
Top 35 yards per completion
Top 30 in total offense
Top 15 in yards per attempt

In ONE of those

Bennett isn’t in ANY…….none. And he played 13 games.

Hooker, Young, and the other actual Heisman invites are in most of those. Hooker in ALL of them (except total passing yards)
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But still, 13-0 indicates a team whose QB1 possesses "great ability". Same as the two you mentioned. And consider also that Heisman voters are asked to evaluate intangibles such as "perseverance, diligence, and hardwork". Maybe what they were considering when they cast a vote for SBIV.
 
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BAMA-DAWG said:
But still, 13-0 indicates a team whose QB1 possesses "great ability". Same as the two you mentioned. And consider also that Heisman voters are asked to evaluate intangibles such as "perseverance, diligence, and hardwork". Maybe what they were considering when they cast a vote for SBIV.
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doesn’t that sound about like every single player starting in college football……seriously.

I’ve been around it at a lower lever and it’s all of that every single day.

Not mention “Hooker” bench, Covid, heart problem, transfer, new coach, bench, work hard, earn starting spot, become one of the most efficient QB’s 2 years in a row, injury…..end of career……still helping the backup (now starter).

Also Bennett and his “team” went 13-0 and he does posses good ability…….fine ability…….shouldn’t there be more than just “hey my teem is good and I have ability”?

There were simply other guys who did WAY more with MUCH less. Guys that meant more to their teams. Guys that put in as much work and dedication as he did………and had more pure QB success……not simply “team” success.

Not trying at all here to dog on the young man. He’s more than competent………however if should be easy to see “others” are more deserving of that “individual” award.
 
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JoAllan said:
doesn’t that sound about like every single player starting in college football……seriously.

I’ve been around it at a lower lever and it’s all of that every single day.

Not mention “Hooker” bench, Covid, heart problem, transfer, new coach, bench, work hard, earn starting spot, become one of the most efficient QB’s 2 years in a row, injury…..end of career……still helping the backup (now starter).

Also Bennett and his “team” went 13-0 and he does posses good ability…….fine ability…….shouldn’t there be more than just “hey my teem is good and I have ability”?

There were simply other guys who did WAY more with MUCH less. Guys that meant more to their teams. Guys that put in as much work and dedication as he did………and had more pure QB success……not simply “team” success.

Not trying at all here to dog on the young man. He’s more than competent………however if should be easy to see “others” are more deserving of that “individual” award.
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Then you would agree he meets the criteria for a Heisman contender, if every single player exhibits these qualities. So what's the harm in inviting him to the ceremony? He's having an outstanding season. He's one of the top four vote getters. But I guess rationality is in short supply around here. If you want to blow up the voters, fine. But SBIV doesn't deserve to be trashed.
 
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BAMA-DAWG said:
Then you would agree he meets the criteria for a Heisman contender, if every single player exhibits these qualities. So what's the harm in inviting him to the ceremony? He's having an outstanding season. He's one of the top four vote getters. But I guess rationality is in short supply around here. If you want to blow up the voters, fine. But SBIV doesn't deserve to be trashed.
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One I’m not trashing anyone.

Two many voters don’t even know football. Many literally don’t know anything about the players they have voted for. Some have never watched a single game they have played……..there is a HUGE problem when folks vote for something like this and haven’t a clue.

Three, I never said he didn’t meet the criteria……almost any player would. I said there are others “more deserving” and have done more at their positions with less around them.

If Bennett isn’t among the tops in basically ANY QB stats……….what’s the “harm” in voting for someone who is more deserving…….rather than someone who is on a 13-0 team……or someone who played on championship weekend and folks actually watched ONE time.

that’s the biggest problem. Most folks don’t understand how this is all done…….and tons of it is done by non football people, folks that don’t know the candidates, that didn’t watch the players, and don’t even know the stats…….or really anything.
 
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JoAllan said:
One I’m not trashing anyone.

Two many voters don’t even know football. Many literally don’t know anything about the players they have voted for. Some have never watched a single game they have played……..there is a HUGE problem when folks vote for something like this and haven’t a clue.

Three, I never said he didn’t meet the criteria……almost any player would. I said there are others “more deserving” and have done more at their positions with less around them.

If Bennett isn’t among the tops in basically ANY QB stats……….what’s the “harm” in voting for someone who is more deserving…….rather than someone who is on a 13-0 team……or someone who played on championship weekend and folks actually watched ONE time.

that’s the biggest problem. Most folks don’t understand how this is all done…….and tons of it is done by non football people, folks that don’t know the candidates, that didn’t watch the players, and don’t even know the stats…….or really anything.
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Fair enough. Sorry to imply you were trashing SBIV. No, you weren't. I was referring to may who are. I agree the process is a popularity contest and beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
 
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BAMA-DAWG said:
Fair enough. Sorry to imply you were trashing SBIV. No, you weren't. I was referring to may who are. I agree the process is a popularity contest and beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
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TN fans are just extremely disappointed that HH didn't receive an invite. You have to understand how much he has meant to us. Two years ago we were 3-7 and facing a continuation of our protracted journey through the desert following the Pruitt debacle. Last year started ugly, but then HH took the reins and led us to a respectable season. This year he built upon that, culminating in an epic season, which other fans won't fully appreciate since they haven't walked in our shoes for the last 20 years.

On the field, HH is epic. He is as apt to drop a 50-yard dime as he is to pull a Houdini act and run by you without you knowing it. We focus on the stats because they are spectacular.

Off the field, HH is as good of a dude as there is. He's represented us with class and shown all the positive attributes you would want in a QB. The dude chose to spend his time writing a children's book on scripture. His sister posts tik toks of her travels to every game with her family, that are cute, funny, and sometimes make you teary eyed. His story is as much about perseverance as any player, having faced health scares, coach firings, benchings, you name it, but he stuck with us and led us to glory. I met HH myself at an event where my kids were lucky enough to catch passes from him. I can attest that his as humble and polite as they come. So, when you tout the intangibles of other players, that implies that Hooker doesn't exhibit those attributes, which is wrong.

I'm disappointed with the snub, but mostly for him because he's so deserving of an invitation based on excellence in all criteria for the Heisman. Add that to the history of the Manning and Majors snubs and you might be able to understand why vols fans don't want to hear it.
 
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Volprofch05 said:
TN fans are just extremely disappointed that HH didn't receive an invite. You have to understand how much he has meant to us. Two years ago we were 3-7 and facing a continuation of our protracted journey through the desert following the Pruitt debacle. Last year started ugly, but then HH took the reigns and led us to a respectable season. This year he built upon that, culminating in an epic season, which other fans won't fully appreciate since they haven't walked in our shoes for the last 20 years.

On the field, HH is epic. He is as apt to drop a 50-yard dime as he is to pull a Houdini act and run by you without you knowing it. We focus on the stats because they are spectacular.

Off the field, HH is as good of a dude as there is. He's represented us with class and shown all the positive attributes you would want in a QB. The dude chose to spend his time writing a children's book on scripture. His sister posts tik toks of her travels to every game with her family, that are cute, funny, and sometimes make you teary eyed. His story is as much about perseverance as any player, having faced health scares, coach firings, benchings, you name it, but he stuck with us and led us to glory. I met HH myself at an event where my kids were lucky enough to catch passes from him. I can attest that his as humble and polite as they come. So, when you tout the intangibles of other players, that implies that Hooker doesn't exhibit those attributes, which is wrong.

I'm disappointed with the snub, but mostly for him because he's so deserving of an invitation based on excellence in all criteria for the Heisman. Add that to the history of the Manning and Majors snubs and you might be able to understand why vols fans don't want to hear it.
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Thanks for the reply. I get why you don't want to hear it. So you know, I'm on record as HH supporter. I have watched him play in every game of consequence this year. I think the guy is solid. I thought it was a bummer when he went out during the USC game. He will likely make a nice NFL paycheck next year, and I hope the best for him.

To me, the Heisman doesn't mean squat. It's a nice recognition for a job well done. As a fan, I'm much more interested in the games coming up.
 
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BAMA-DAWG said:
Then you would agree he meets the criteria for a Heisman contender, if every single player exhibits these qualities. So what's the harm in inviting him to the ceremony? He's having an outstanding season. He's one of the top four vote getters. But I guess rationality is in short supply around here. If you want to blow up the voters, fine. But SBIV doesn't deserve to be trashed.
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Not trashing Bennett, but he just isn't a Heisman QB. He is a solid P5 QB, and played on a team with a lot of talent all around him. Seems like a good kid. But he just is not a Heisman winner. He just isn't.

When JG was the Tennessee QB, I never trashed him, either. he seemed like a good kid, tough as nails. He just wasn't a P5 starting QB. He just didn't have that level of talent.

You can say someone is short of a standard w/o trashing them. Bennett is a much better QB than JG, but both were held to a standard they could not meet. But neither should be 'trashed'.

HH got snubbed. Period. Then, for some reason, CJH was snubbed for COY. I try and not follow these 'conspiracy' threads, but when you have two individuals who make that much difference in bringing a traditional power back to relevance from obscurity, and they aren't even in the finalists for awards, it is just.....odd.
 
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stevenrich2003 said:
Honestly, why is anyone surprised by this? They screwed Majors, Shuler, and Manning. What makes Hooker special. We all should have known this was coming.

I still Hooker was the best player in college football this year.
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Wholeheartedly agree. For years I've kinda viewed the Heisman as winning Homecoming King.
 
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How Boss would it be if some $$$$ donors put together their own version of the Heistman Trophy and aired it in TV the night before the meaningless award is given away?

I'm usually not this petty but I really hate this award
 
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VolInNW said:
Not trashing Bennett, but he just isn't a Heisman QB. He is a solid P5 QB, and played on a team with a lot of talent all around him. Seems like a good kid. But he just is not a Heisman winner. He just isn't.

When JG was the Tennessee QB, I never trashed him, either. he seemed like a good kid, tough as nails. He just wasn't a P5 starting QB. He just didn't have that level of talent.

You can say someone is short of a standard w/o trashing them. Bennett is a much better QB than JG, but both were held to a standard they could not meet. But neither should be 'trashed'.

HH got snubbed. Period. Then, for some reason, CJH was snubbed for COY. I try and not follow these 'conspiracy' threads, but when you have two individuals who make that much difference in bringing a traditional power back to relevance from obscurity, and they aren't even in the finalists for awards, it is just.....odd.
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I bleed orange and love Heupel 2nd but what Sonny Dykes did in year one is great and TCU had a strong schedule. And also Hendon was 5th in Heisman race so they couldn't fly the top 5 to New York out of 10 players?
 
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Vol423 said:
Maybe Peyton can set Hooker up with a TV commercial with the two of them mocking those commercials with all the Heistman winners.
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And the OMAHA award goes to Hendon Hooker.

In his speech Hendon pays homage to Degeneration X by telling the Heisman voters "I GOT TWO WORDS FOR YA!"
 
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