Hopefully that embarrassing loss galvanizes this team

[Chitlin&theDude]

I did not call for him to be replaced, but in year 4, if he is 1-3 versus the worst 4 Florida football teams in the past decade then he needs to have some heat on him. I like Heupel a lot, but the same problems keep coming to light with his teams, bad secondary, oline that gets beat, undisciplined penalties, clock management and end of game playcalling. Everything can be fixed but he needs to beat our rivals with some consistency, his record against our rivals at this point is 2-7 (GA, BAMA and FLA). If he goes 7-5 this season and loses to all our main rivals and throw in a loss to either Vandy or Kentucky, then he needs to be on hotseat watch, that is not TN football expectations in year 4, I think DW would give him a year to improve and not make a change midseason. This is all hypothetical, I am not calling for Heupels job, I am merely asking what the temperature would be on him if he loses to this craptastic Florida team at home on ESPN with Checker Neyland in the background.......

Thank you! This. We all want him to succeed, and we're not saying he should be on the hot seat right now. But if, (and it's just an if,) he loses this Saturday it's a big problem. If you're 1-3 against these terrible FL teams, how can anyone think you can ever win a championship?

 

[chattaboogie]

If Heupel loses to this Florida team, how much will the temperature turn up on him?

At this point barely at all

 

[aRmo]

Yes it was.

In context, how we played was embarrassing

 

[Godfatha]

Agree. If he loses to a bad Florida team it is time to start cutting bait.

It will depend on how he responds to it at the end of year. Does he get rid of the dead weight coaches not getting it done (Ellarbee), or does he hang on to failure because they're buddies?

 

[sami]

No. DW only cares about increasing revenue. Up to this point, CJH has helped contribute to that goal. However, a loss to UF this weekend will start to impact the overall revenue for this year. Not enough to get CJH fired. DW only cares about the bottom line, because that is the entire purpose of his job. The wins, championships, etc. just contribute to that goal. Getting us into the post season, ideally the CFP, is Heupel's goal to contribute to that bottom line.

My statements are my own. I will personally give up on CJH because I do not care about the bottom line, I care about our program beating our rivals. I have no bearing on what the admin cares about. I gave up on Dooley and Pruitt for the same reason: they did not consistently beat our rivals. Butch got some rope because to his credit he did beat UF and UGA, but ended up in the same dumpster as those two.

Fire Heupel and completely start over with regard to recruiting and team building as the transfer portal will be loaded, then see how that affects the bottom line. I don't care about the bottom line either, to the point that I'd love to see them put real seats in Neyland even if it shrunk the capacity to 80-85,000. But starting over will kill revenue in the short term, and possibly longer if the new 'savior' doesn't work out.

It gets tiresome repeating it over and over, but you guys are ready to fire a coach who in four years has taken this program from the dumpster back to knocking on the door of elite level because you were butthurt over a couple of losses. That is way beyond insane. Recruiting has improved every year, the depth is just getting back to elite level, and you want to start over again. Insanity.

 

[Vol in Buckeye Land]

Fire Heupel and completely start over with regard to recruiting and team building as the transfer portal will be loaded, then see how that affects the bottom line. I don't care about the bottom line either, to the point that I'd love to see them put real seats in Neyland even if it shrunk the capacity to 80-85,000. But starting over will kill revenue in the short term, and possibly longer if the new 'savior' doesn't work out.

It gets tiresome repeating it over and over, but you guys are ready to fire a coach who in four years has taken this program from the dumpster back to knocking on the door of elite level because you were butthurt over a couple of losses. That is way beyond insane. Recruiting has improved every year, the depth is just getting back to elite level, and you want to start over again. Insanity.

I don’t think Heupel would in any way be on the hot seat after a loss to UF, but a lot of the good will he’s built up will evaporate if this ends up being an 8-4 or worse year. Then if things continue to trend in the wrong direction next year, the hot seat would become something of a conversation. In my opinion, the earliest we could even consider DW moving on from Heupel, hypothetically, would be after the 2026 season, and that’s worst case scenario. Worst plausible scenario anyway, ie barring an FSU-level collapse in the next few years.

People have these knee jerk reactions because that’s what they’re used to from the last 3 coaches (4 counting Kiffin). We’ve been trained as a fanbase that when you feel like the writing’s on the wall, then it is, because those coaches all sucked. Heupel is not those guys. Is he the second coming of Neyland? Not sure about that either. I’m hopeful, though, that if Danny White is who we think he is, the two possible scenarios are that Heupel is “the guy” to win the next championship and carry on from there, or if not, the program is in vastly better shape during the next transition than it was in 2021, something more like the beginning of Kirby Smart’s tenure at Georgia.

 

[VolFreakJosh]

Fire Heupel and completely start over with regard to recruiting and team building as the transfer portal will be loaded, then see how that affects the bottom line. I don't care about the bottom line either, to the point that I'd love to see them put real seats in Neyland even if it shrunk the capacity to 80-85,000. But starting over will kill revenue in the short term, and possibly longer if the new 'savior' doesn't work out.

It gets tiresome repeating it over and over, but you guys are ready to fire a coach who in four years has taken this program from the dumpster back to knocking on the door of elite level because you were butthurt over a couple of losses. That is way beyond insane. Recruiting has improved every year, the depth is just getting back to elite level, and you want to start over again. Insanity.

Heupel would have to lose to Florida, Vandy, and UK to even come close to being on the hot seat.

Even then, DW would probably encourage him to make changes next year.

He’s not getting fired anytime soon.

 

[sami]

Heupel would have to lose to Florida, Vandy, and UK to even come close to being on the hot seat.

Even then, DW would probably encourage him to make changes next year.

He’s not getting fired anytime soon.

Of course not, because thankfully VolNation and VolTwitter aren't being used as sources by the people who make those decisions.

And my guess is that White is far too smart to encourage or discourage any of his head coaches or meddle in any decision making.

 

[loservol]

Heupel would have to lose to Florida, Vandy, and UK to even come close to being on the hot seat.

Even then, DW would probably encourage him to make changes next year.

He’s not getting fired anytime soon.

Good chance he will lose to all three if Sunbelt Billy beats him this week. The smarter fans in TN don't like backing a loser.

It would also make Bob Stoops right about firing him when he was an OC at Oklahoma.

 

[theFallGuy]

Agree. If he loses to a bad Florida team it is time to start cutting bait.

 

[loservol]

The schedule next year is going to be a lot tougher. If Heupel can't beat Florida at home, he is not beating them in the swamp next year. Giving him a year 5 would just be throwing away another season.

 

[Go47]

They can galvanize. And probably will. What is very unlikely to happen is the oline suddenly looking like an SEC oline.