Hopson passing on NBA

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alumvol08 said:
Obviously when you come out of high school you are either a surefire lottery pick or just a regular college player that will take years to develop. Number 5 player actually means, you are only good in the eyes of stupid message board posters.[/QUOTE]

No, but it doesn't mean you're a one and done player either. All you guys are arguing about it hype. Based on his hype he was a one and done player, but that doesn't mean he has been a bust. Just that people OVERhyped his ability.
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Indianavol4eva said:
when i say potential im saying his size and athleticism are NBA caliber. The kid is 6'7 and pretty athletic and long. that shows good potential for an NBA shooting guard, but you and i both know it takes much more than that to make it to the NBA. No, im not saying he didnt have good skills or anything like that, im saying his game was not nearly as developed coming out of high school as most one and done players.
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I agree generally with this. I would just add that he also hasn't developed his game while at college nearly as much as other lower-ranked members of his own recruiting class like Williams, Monroe, etc. That's why I think he's disappointing. I gave him a pass his freshman year because I agree with what I bolded of what you said. However, I was disappointed that he didn't take a significant step forward this year.
 
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ranradVOL said:
alumvol08 said:
Obviously when you come out of high school you are either a surefire lottery pick or just a regular college player that will take years to develop. Number 5 player actually means, you are only good in the eyes of stupid message board posters.[/QUOTE]

No, but it doesn't mean you're a one and done player either. All you guys are arguing about it hype. Based on his hype he was a one and done player, but that doesn't mean he has been a bust. Just that people OVERhyped his ability.
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Exactly.
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alumvol08 said:
The point that you continuously fail to see is that Hopson was more than just an average recruit in the eyes of many people. There weren't people saying he was an NBA lock like a Beasley, but he had much more potential than most players in his class. You think that the only people hyping him up are "stupid message board posters" which is just wrong. Actually many people thought he had the potential to be go to the NBA in his first couple seasons. However, right now he is not even close to being ready.
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i was here when hopson became a vol. the two main things i remember reading from the gurus of this board and a number of other people was that 1. the 2008 class is much weaker than the 2007 class. there just wont be as many one and dones and early contributors as people might expect. 2. Scotty Hopson will not be as good as people in the top five from the previous year. dont think he is as good as an eric gordon, michael beasley, or OJ Mayo, because you are going to be let down. Way too many people hyped him up based on the talent of the previous class, and the two classes were nowhere near comparable in talent.

LawVol13 said:
I agree generally with this. I would just add that he also hasn't developed his game while at college nearly as much as other lower-ranked members of his own recruiting class like Williams, Monroe, etc. That's why I think he's disappointing. I gave him a pass his freshman year because I agree with what I bolded of what you said. However, I was disappointed that he didn't take a significant step forward this year.
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i personally dont like the williams argument at all, but maybe thats just me? as far as the greg monroe thing goes, yes greg monroe is better. im just saying hopson is not a bust. yeah, he hasnt been as good as he probably should be, but he still has 2 years of college left. like ive said from the beginning, he is a solid contributor and will continue to be just that.
 
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Indianavol4eva said:
alumvol08 said:
There were a large number of people that said people expecting Hopson to come in and be our star, or a one and done player were going to be very disappointed. sounds like you just listened to the wrong people.
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I was referring to his ranking. My whole argument the entire time is that other people besides message board posters believed he could be a great player. He had a high ranking. He was a McDonald's All-American. Several people also thought he had a decent shot at going pro early. He has failed to live up to all of these things. Therefore he was overhyped coming in. I'm not arguing people on the message board thought he would be great. I'm just saying this belief was based on more than blind faith.
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Indianavol4eva said:
i was here when hopson became a vol. the two main things i remember reading from the gurus of this board and a number of other people was that 1. the 2008 class is much weaker than the 2007 class. there just wont be as many one and dones and early contributors as people might expect. 2. Scotty Hopson will not be as good as people in the top five from the previous year. dont think he is as good as an eric gordon, michael beasley, or OJ Mayo, because you are going to be let down. Way too many people hyped him up based on the talent of the previous class, and the two classes were nowhere near comparable in talent.



i personally dont like the williams argument at all, but maybe thats just me? as far as the greg monroe thing goes, yes greg monroe is better. im just saying hopson is not a bust. yeah, he hasnt been as good as he probably should be, but he still has 2 years of college left. like ive said from the beginning, he is a solid contributor and will continue to be just that.
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It would be very, very difficult to argue that Hopson is close to being as good as Williams.
 
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BasketvolsFan said:
Williams was our number 1 target in that class and we all know why now. Hopson is not close to him at this time and may never be.
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i dont deny that williams has probably been a better player over the past two years, but that gap between him and hopson is not nearly as wide as you are making it out to be.
 
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From GVX.

"It's just a matter of playing the cards I've been dealt as best as I can, and that's getting ready for next season,'' Hopson said. "When Tyler (Smith) left the team, my game took a step up. But I don't feel I've scratched the surface of what I can do. I know the fans see that, too.''

Hopson said the NBA paperwork is a formality that will give him feedback on what he needs to do to be prepared to "that that next step.''
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If y'all still think all this is ridiculous, then you're beyond the pale.
 
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LawVol13 said:
Come on, man. I'm sure Hopson's a good kid, but he simply has been a big disappointment; there's no getting around it. He shows flashes here and there but rarely comes through when you need him to.

His not contesting that shot against Summers is something that I think is just unforgivable, and I certainly won't forget it for a long time.
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2nd in scoring, 3rd in Steals....He was a true sophomore. It is CLEAR that he was a bit overrated. Agreeing that he hasn't reached his potential is no issue with me here. People talking bad about him and down about him as if he owes them something. And people trying to act as if he doesn't care and or doesn't try is asanine. Read the latest gvxtra article where he talks about his struggle to break through with his game and his acknowledgement that he has barely touched what he COULD DO. And that he knows fans question him, and he's working to address it. Also talks about the missed FT. Not his fault they hyped the hell out of him @ a young age mainly bc of his size. He has improved and will continue to improve. What shot of Sumners did he not challenge? The 3 in the corner under 2 minutes?
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LawVol13 said:
Look at what you're saying, man. You're the one that got on here saying that the only ones with expectations of him were "the VN elite." Now you're freely admitting that he had the potential to be one and done. If he had that potential and obviously isn't even close to realizing it, then how has he not been a disappointment?
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Ill give you that he's underachieved based on the (sometime inflated) expectations that many here and in the bb world had. And I should add that I've never seen you attack his character or effort, but those who do, should take a closer look at the situation and all parties involved. The kids coming along, just slower than we had all hoped. And he cares and is trying. He can change his legacy with 2 solid years, just ask JP (really good 1/2 year). Let's rally behind him and believe that he can put it all together come winter.
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Indianavol4eva said:
amen.
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Ya know? Why bash him? (Lvol didn't) but many do, and its so stupid. Do they really think that someone as successful as bruce pearl would play a kid that wasn't trying day in and day out?? I mean really?? Do they not think that he's around him enough to know for sure that he's making an effort, as to be sure?? Its just silly ish sometimes on here.
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Orangekush423 said:
Ya know? Why bash him? (Lvol didn't) but many do, and its so stupid. Do they really think that someone as successful as bruce pearl would play a kid that wasn't trying day in and day out?? I mean really?? Do they not think that he's around him enough to know for sure that he's making an effort, as to be sure?? Its just silly ish sometimes on here.
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yeah and the people who try to make him out to be a complete bust are what piss me off the most. A lot of people said his skills werent refined enough to go one and done. hes been a solid contributor for us and still has 2 year to build on A LOT of potential.
 
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scanning thread topics, I always read 'Hopson passing on MBA' ..... guess it makes more sense....
 
#143
#143
College Basketball Rumors - Rumor Central - NCAA - ESPN

Says: NBA draft very thin at shooting guard...

Just speculating here, but if these guys know that there is a lack of quality off-guards in the draft and they could be one of the first taken at their position, one has to think that will factor into their decision to go pro. Here are some other shooting guard underclassmen that will have to make this decision: Tennessee's Scotty Hopson (jr.), Marquette's Vander Blue (fr.), Michigan State's Keith Appling (fr.), Florida's Kenny Boynton Jr. (so.), Vanderbilt's John Jenkins (so.) and Washington's Isaiah Thomas (jr.).
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Keith Appling is not even close to being ready for the NBA. He has probably 2 more years minimum at state
 
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golfballs03 said:
College Basketball Rumors - Rumor Central - NCAA - ESPN

Says: NBA draft very thin at shooting guard...
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Wow, if they NBA draft is really in that bad of shape for 2 guards then something is seriously wrong. John Jenkins still needs to improve his athleticism and defense significantly to make an impact in the NBA. Hopson is wildly inconsistent and would instantly become the worst ball-handling guard in the NBA. Isaiah Thomas is going to have to play PG in the NBA. Man that list is sad...
 
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